Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:00 Hi, I'm Evan side, cameos from pixel
Speaker 1 00:00:02 Art studio and I might've might've jet ski from Melbourne geographer and Melbourne images. We'd like to welcome
Speaker 0 00:00:08 You to the first
Speaker 1 00:00:09 Episode of seeking focus.
Speaker 2 00:00:14 Welcome to seeking focus. Uh, Pocketcasts provides photographers and videographers with a place to critically compare technology, share ideas. I didn't harm that skills.
Speaker 0 00:00:26 So we thought we'd start off this episode by telling you a little bit about ourselves and, um, how we got to the point that we're at at the moment. So, Marty, would you like to start us off?
Speaker 1 00:00:36 Yeah, man. All right. So look, um, it's been a bit of a fun ride, I guess, for the last, uh, six, almost seven years, six years, 2015. We, um, sort of lived together, um, doing photography, but, um, yeah, look so with me, I guess it's, uh, it's been a while though. I actually went to university or MIT scientific photography. Um, did probably good two years out of that and, um, decided that photography wasn't for me. So, um, I guess back then, it was a bit of a, um, bit of a funny one. Then I tried to, uh, pay the bills and obviously photography didn't pay the bills too well. And, um, so yeah, 20 F uh, I think I finished uni probably around 20 2016 and 20 years ago. So, um, yeah, uh, that was kind of, um, fun, but, um, left it alone for about good 16 years went to it and, um, from it, I decided to, Hey, you know, passion for photography and sort of kicked back in and, um, yeah, so it just kicked it off again and, uh, started, uh, doing photography, did a couple of weddings and did, um, eh, just portraits, everything else.
Speaker 1 00:01:53 So, um, it's kind of hard to sort of see, so, yeah, so I kicked off, um, once my kids were born, um, I started doing photography again and decided it was fun and something that I could pay the bills with, I guess, you know, so, um, they started doing that and probably about four years ago, I got into videography. So videography was a big thing for me. Um, kicked off with a lot of time lapses and, um, and I just saw the time lapse. Um, actually I, so one of the YouTubers, um, Matt Jos, he's doing his time, I've seen, and that really sort of threw me in and thought, oh man, this is so cool. So, um, I started doing time lapsing and, um, from time lapsing, I, I guess the passion for photography and videography sort of kicked in and it just went a bit crazy. So the Canon five D mark three back then, and, um, you still got that. Yeah, I do. I do. It's kind of scary because the camera, I think it's the, it's probably nine, 19 years old now and it's still going strong, which is really interesting. I think I've clicked off probably about million shots on it from all the time. I've seen that I've
Speaker 0 00:03:03 Done, you inspired me so much. We're good. I went off and bought my own. Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:03:06 Yeah. You got the mock mock three and four.
Speaker 0 00:03:09 Some of the collection I'm looking for mark two at the moment, so,
Speaker 1 00:03:11 But, um, yeah, from then I, um, videography sort of really kicked in and started doing, um, businesses and sort of corporate sort of things. So interviews and, um, a couple of TV, I guess, TV commercials as well now, um, for one of my bigger clients. And, um, yeah, so see, we hear, we hear now, you know, running on my Sony a year now as well. I know you, don't, you're running all the, all the black magic stuff, so we're kind of doing exactly the same thing, but, um, it's, it's different in the way as well. So yeah, it's, it's fun. Um, but yeah, look, you know, it's, it's, it's been a fun ride and um, yeah, yeah. Um, I guess that's my short thing. What about you, man? Um,
Speaker 0 00:03:53 Yeah, look, I, I probably might, my history starts a little, a lot earlier. I think when dinosaurs roamed the earth, um, it's actually interesting to listen to your story because, um, between the two of us where we've got a, we're very, very similar, but we come from very different backgrounds and the way we do things, um, I think originally I started photography when I was about eight years old with a, an old black and white, uh, a pinhole camera, open it for 30 seconds. And, um, and it would project the image onto the back of a piece of paper and you go into your studio and, um, he developed that paper. So, um, age eight, I was planning on photography. Um, probably I think it was about age 11 or somewhere around there. Um, I was basically at school teacher introduced me to cameras. Uh, I remember my first camera was a KR 10 Rica watch out.
Speaker 0 00:04:38 I still have that at home actually as well. And that was a, the teacher introduced me to photography and I really got into it. Um, and you know, basically the family gave me a camera as well, the old Agfa, which I also still have a warehouse of cameras. Um, and so basically by the age of about 13, I had a little black and white studio and I was really getting into it, but, um, it never really went anywhere after that. So, um, for many years after that photography was one of those things I dabbled here and there, I think I didn't really touch on it until I was mid twenties again. Um, I always had an eye for photography, so I could always see a great photo. And, um, a lot of people, I got their attention because of it. And over the years I kept doing it, but it was more of a hobby than anything else. I was never doing it professionally. And, um, somewhere along the line I picked up the video camera. I think that was probably in my late twenties to thirties and started producing video productions of off-road racing across Australia. He'd probably seen a couple of them. Yeah. Um, so we produce about 48 different titles. Um, and we, we basically created DVDs and sold them worldwide. And
Speaker 1 00:05:44 What year was
Speaker 0 00:05:45 That? That was
Speaker 1 00:05:48 2009. Sorry,
Speaker 0 00:05:50 Some somewhere around there, the calendar, I'll never look at this. Um, I don't know, to be honest with you, it's such a long time ago. Um, like I did say was at the dinosaurs ran in here for, at that stage. Um, and so we would travel around Australia and film off-road racing and then we would produce the DVDs and basically sell them across the world. All the profits will go to charities and stuff. Um, so we did a lot of work, uh, in that area. It was, it was good. It was a feel-good sort of thing. Uh, but it was never done commercially. It was never done as anything more than just a hobby yeah, pretty much. And, um, you know, basically, uh, I think when things changed for me, uh, was only a couple of years ago. Um, but I'll get to that in a moment.
Speaker 0 00:06:30 I think, uh, the biggest problem I had in my photography and the reason it never became professional was because I had the eye for photos and the ability to capture moments, but looking back at those photos, which actually just recently did a few days ago, they usually, they quite woeful. Um, the context was there, the angle was there, but the actual technical side of things was never really there. I never really understood two cameras and film. Um, and I don't think that actually changed until I met you back in 2015. Well, we had actually met prior to two 50 days. Um, but it wasn't until two 15 that we started hanging out and taking photos together. Um, and I remember the first time we went out, we were standing on the top of the, uh, Swanson street bridge in Melbourne. And I was sitting there with my old, uh, 50 D Canon, which was in frees up in coal river. Pixelate is horrible. Um, and I turned around and you're sitting there with your five D and you had all these filters on these leaf filters, graduated filters, and I'm sitting there looking at you like what the
Speaker 0 00:07:30 Had a going on, you're sitting there, the tripods. And I had this rickety old broken tripod that honestly specific crap. Um, you know, and I was looking at you and I'm thinking what's he doing? And I think that was a turning point for me because I was able to, you know, from that moment on, I started learning from you and you taught me a lot of the technicalities, uh, thankful for that. Thank you very much. Um, and you know, basically I put your technical knowledge and the knowledge I picked up from you to the photos and the style that I did, and I started producing really good quality things.
Speaker 1 00:08:00 I think we'll start off with a really crappy things and then we'll move on to much better things. So yeah, it's just taxis.
Speaker 0 00:08:06 I've still got my Canon 50 days sitting there. Uh, not that I use it anymore, but, um, yeah, I, I, uh, for still photography of news on to the five D mark four and the three, which was both dinosaurs, um, but they're still quite effective. Um, and you've moved over from the Canon to Sonia.
Speaker 1 00:08:24 So I'm a, I'm a fully signing, um, I guess, um, infrastructure now, I think I've got about four Sony cameras now and, um, all of the G master lenses and, you know, I spent a hell of a lot of time and money on that stuff as well, which is kind of scary, but, um, it look, I do, I enjoy Sonya and I think, um, being half blind as well have been wearing glasses that, uh, RFI really, really helps, but, um, you have the black magic man. So tell me more about that. Well,
Speaker 0 00:08:53 Look, I've still got my canons because all the lenses that are using my canons actually work on my black magic cameras, the F uh, full frame lenses, and I've got all the L series. And I was thinking, you know, I was actually contemplating moving over the Sony when, when you did it, the join, the dark side. Um, but you know, the reality was I've got so many lenses of Jaime falls to try and solve those often by
Speaker 1 00:09:12 All these new Lammy lens And lost count, not enough ties and fingers, fingers, and ties.
Speaker 0 00:09:20 I think we're bordering somewhere on between 15 and 20, uh, reasonably. Yeah, actually, no, no, it's more now that I think about it because I've moved into the sin lenses collection of us sitting somewhere. Um, but you know, so the lenses I had to change them over to the Sony platform would have cost me an arm and a leg. And then, because I started using black magic cameras and their video cameras for anyone who doesn't know, um, they just fit straight across. So I've got the six K units I've got multiples of those at home. And it just made sense to stay with a candidate and tip to be quite honest with you. I mean, the standard of the five D images is fantastic. They're five, six K images. So, um, I've got no qualms. My clients are always happy. So, um, at this point I don't think there's any way.
Speaker 1 00:10:04 Yeah. I mean, look, when I did photography now for clients and whatever else, I still use my 40 and the quality of that image is just brilliant still. And I think, um, it's even, even Sinai is amazing, but I find that Sonya kind of gives me like the ear it's a SIM sometimes, but I just get a lot of, uh, dust on the sensor as well. So can it never had that problem. Right. But sine is just constantly blowing the center away, cleaning it and all that sort of stuff. So our nice are sign users have the same problem, but yeah, it's a brilliant camera and you can get amazing images out of it. And, you know, I got the Sony, a seven S3, I got the Sony 3 83, I've got the Sony 6,400, I've got a Sonia, a 5,000 as well. So, um, you know, Berlin cameras, but, um, you know, the, the dust is really sort of really gets to me.
Speaker 0 00:10:57 And also I'm mindful of the color science behind it because Canon's a very rich red image. Um, you know, sometimes a little bit too red for my liking, but, um, very, very warm images. And certainly on the other hand has got very blue images, um, very cold almost. Uh, how did, how did you find the transition? Okay.
Speaker 1 00:11:13 I still love my can put image, you know, like I'm still actually, um, the other day actually I was shooting a client thing where he wanted to, um, two cameras in the shot and, um, I've actually didn't have my song. I was just had my, one of my sinews and, um, I used my Canon and Sony and it works amazingly. And I still think that the cannon images it's just still brilliant. You know what I mean? And I think that's why this tool really sell a lot of those cameras. And, um, and look to, to be honest with you, I think S is still, still quite good. I think from a Viagra IP point of view, though, from what I use it for, it's more Sony driven and the, I guess the, the whole you world sets into Sonia now. So you've got your Sony Sony cameras now as well, which is, you know, the FX six FX threes, FX nines, but those cameras are just totally so expensive. There's just, you know, crazy. Um, but, um, look, I, I do enjoy the Sonia. I know it off by heart now. I know exactly where the apertures sort of, you know, shortcuts are okay.
Speaker 0 00:12:17 It took you about six months to find it. It took a while, but the main infrastructure in those cameras is actually,
Speaker 1 00:12:22 Yeah. The have improved that in, uh, a seven S3, uh, which is the sort of, um, video camera of the, well, you know, so three is the photography moral sort of camera. And then a seven S3 is only 12 megapixels. And, but the queen image quality, you know, it's, it's, it's phenomenal. Um, you get, um, 4k 64 K one 20 frames per second. And, um, you can get some really, really nice slow-mo on it, you know, and depending on obviously which lenses you put on there as well, it's, it's just phenomenal, um, from, yeah, look, I think, um, myself, you know, I just, I've been in with Sony infrastructure now for such a long time. It's, you know, um, yeah, it's good. I like it. And yeah.
Speaker 0 00:13:08 Yeah. And I agree with you, look, I mean, a lot of people are using DSLRs and, uh, you know, we both transitioned from photos using our cannons to video on our cannons. Um, and I don't think we stayed with video on our canons for very long. Um, you know, I mean, we can go off and buy ourselves big camera units, which are fantastic, but once again, big goals, um, and you've got the DSLR sitting there, you think to yourself, all it, some video, and next thing you know, is you finding it's lacking it's, you know,
Speaker 1 00:13:35 And look, I think, you know, if you're doing bigger productions, you know, like when I did the, um, the commercial, um, I did it by myself, but, um, you know, it's, it's, you do want obviously better quality image out of that, that photo and you can't really use DSLRs for, you know, for the of stuff. No, definitely not. You know, and I think initially when you start to think about it, a lot of people that might get into this, um, they go, oh yeah, we can do a lot of things with a DSLR, you know, and all sort of stuff, but it's true because you can't.
Speaker 0 00:14:04 Okay. Yeah, definitely. Especially if you've got to color grading, color correction, um, people look, I've sent some stuff out that will just be amazing and, you know, sort of when they tell you what they're using, you sort of get really, you know, you're surprised by it. Um, you know, but it makes it a lot easier when you've got a quality camera. That's actually,
Speaker 1 00:14:20 Well, the thing is, you've got to know how to use it as well. Right. And to be honest with you, I think, um, you know, you might have the best camera in the world, but if you don't know how to use it, you know, you don't know how to, how ISO works in how, um, aperture, the depth of field works in all sort of jazz it's um, yeah, like you've got on the sinews, you can, you know, you can go your senior, senior tones and you've got your, you know, flat profiles, which is the other day, uh, S log in profiles, just like with the cannon, you know, you've got the, um, I guess can log as well and also jazz. So you can call a great everything. So I guess a lot of it, you can, you know, you can get a lot out of those DSLRs, but if you need to, you know, Blackmagic is probably the way to go as well. You know? Um, the only reason why the impact big black magic was, um, that I have fully auto focus sort of system. And that's what really sort of, um, got to me because I'm being blind and, you know, wearing glasses all the time.
Speaker 0 00:15:16 When you say blind clarity, cause I'm visualizing the Kung Fu master with the OPEC eyes.
Speaker 1 00:15:22 Well, you know, I've been wearing glasses since, uh, since uni. So I've actually, I'm at union. One of my teachers came up to me and they go like, Hey man, no, your images are all blurry. Are you sure? Like you don't need glasses. What are you talking about? Yeah, miss. Yeah. That's all good. You know, I don't need glasses. And then she's like, how about just go and get your eyes tested and then we'll see mice, that's the shit, man. He needed glasses
Speaker 0 00:15:44 Until someone pointed out to you. Yeah, for me, it's the same, thing's happening. I'm I'm getting on in the years and Mars are finally signed to go and I'm finding, I'm wearing glasses most of the time now, which causes me a bit of an issue, especially when I'm trying to take photos because I'm struggling with it, you know, putting a camera up to the glasses and having it pressed against your face. Cause I'm not used to it. Um, you know, so a lot of the times I won't look at glasses, take photos and then when no one's watching press the play button and put my glasses on, have a look at the photo at a shop. Um, and you know, because I'm doing that, it's actually shout. But in past I've taken photos where I look back at them and think what the hell. Yeah. Um, so
Speaker 1 00:16:22 With Sonia now, man, it's got a form. Um, you know, you're looking at me like
Speaker 1 00:16:30 Yeah. Now by like, you know, you got your full ID detection, you know what I mean? So, and it's got animal and human eye detection, so it doesn't look at your face anymore. And um, with the older Sonya's they did, but now it's just straight away locks onto your eyes. And, and you know, when you're taking an image and taking videos of people, I mean, the eyes are the most important part of
Speaker 0 00:16:50 I'm definitely. Yeah. That's what I tell everyone. It's just like, yeah. And I look at me blankly, like, yeah,
Speaker 1 00:16:54 Yeah. But Sonya, that sort of locked into that sort of, um, the, I focus straight away, even if you shooting like an interview, you know, sometimes I shoot my interviews at like 1.4, which is like a 50 mil, 1.4. And for those who don't know, 1.4
Speaker 0 00:17:08 Is it's overkill.
Speaker 1 00:17:11 It is a bit of to kill, but I just really loved that smooth, you know, like background, you know, it's just really dreamy. Um, really like
Speaker 0 00:17:20 It's where the, the eyes of sharpen the tip of the nose is completely blurred. Something like that.
Speaker 1 00:17:24 Yeah. But I'm looking at and saying, you can pick that up straight away. So the eye focus just stays on it. And, um, even if the person's moved back or forwards, um, the, uh, the, the signing will still stick to it. Like my, you know what I mean? Um, so that's why I do like it. And especially with the new Sony, a seven S three, it sort of kills it. So, um, yeah, I really enjoyed that. Um,
Speaker 0 00:17:46 What I've noticed with your productions is we both shoot videos at the moment. We also do photography, but predominantly we do videography. That's why I keep saying photography. And, um, what I've noticed with your camera is all your videos, uh, extremely tack sharp. Like the images always shouted. I find that. I see, I see when you look at my work and just, just the bit of background, I run black magic cameras, which are fully manual. So the focus has to be done by hand, even though it's got a partial focus button on there, you know, as soon as you move, the focus is out. So you just got to keep adapting it by hand. So there's no, autofocuses, there's no nothing that you can use focus peaking, which is basically just the outline on the screen, um, which allows you to be able to decide where you want to focus. Um, my images are a lot, well, granted, they are sharp. Don't get me wrong. They're not blurry as such, but, um, the reason I chose black magic is because it's got more of a cinematic feel to it. Now your images are always tack sharp and they w I was going to say sterile, but it's quite offensive, isn't it? They're not as they're not steel, but they're very, very sharp. And then you've got, um, basically the black magics and the way they work is almost imitates, like film that, that smooth
Speaker 1 00:18:57 Film, because I mean, they black magic. They use them with these days.
Speaker 0 00:19:00 Right? Well, let's get into that one because there's a whole debate about that out there on Netflix, Netflix won't accept black magic as, as an, except that they're just, you know, Netflix does not accept the black magic, but I know that devastated.
Speaker 1 00:19:17 And I was going to say, cause I know they use obviously Sonya's, but I don't think they actually use, um, allow Sonja 703 as well though. That might be, um, bit of a, I might have to do some investigation on that, but it's um, yeah, it's, uh, I didn't know that they can use
Speaker 0 00:19:30 No, I don't. And the thing is, I think Hollywood says basically if you're not using a $200,000 camera, uh, we, we don't want an obey lady. Ridiculous. You can't produce anything unless you've got the $200,000 camera. Well, even,
Speaker 1 00:19:42 Even the 12 K black magic,
Speaker 0 00:19:45 As far as I know that wasn't, um, there hasn't been the uptake on that one is actually kind of a, I think it's a sore spot for most people, because I don't think that many people have actually gone off and got the 12 K let's be honest. I mean, I'll, well, it's
Speaker 1 00:19:56 Not a, you know, Joe blow average kind
Speaker 0 00:19:58 Of company. I mean, most people don't have a computer monitor or a TV that can see 12 K, so it's kind of wasted unless you're cropping into like, you know, centimeter, you know, pixels or something. It's like, it's, it's, it's overkill for most things. Um, there are, look, I know I've seen the people who've shot on it and it looks fantastic. Um, but can you tell the difference between the 6k cameras?
Speaker 1 00:20:16 I seriously think that, um, the six K it's it's almost overkill as well.
Speaker 0 00:20:21 Oh, it is. I mean, to be honest with you, I think I've used six K probably in about two, possibly three productions. And that the only reason I did that was because I knew that well, yeah, I was going to crop in, I'm using, um, I'm using a lens that doesn't have, uh, that doesn't have a zoom on it. It's a prime. Um, and I went out the zoom, but I can do it digitally. So I'm shooting six K knowing that I'm going to zoom into parts and, you know, and, and it's fantastic
Speaker 1 00:20:46 That your computer, that though,
Speaker 0 00:20:48 Um, proxies, I mean, actually ironically, my computer doesn't need proxies. Um, but if I ever do anything technical, uh, where I start in the color grading and doing the fix to the image, then yeah, it will struggle. And I'll let you use proxies in that sense. But if I'm using 6k video, as it is, um, my computer isn't a problem, but then again, I've paid a small fortune for my computer. It's just to my wife. Um, you know, so, um, but yeah, so that's, that's one of the things that I've noticed between our cameras that are very different. Um, and ultimately though we at both have very different styles and their images look very, very different. We're still predominantly doing exactly the same thing just coming in from different angles.
Speaker 1 00:21:28 The funny thing is actually we, we do exactly the same thing yet. We use different cameras, we use different editing software. Right. And, um,
Speaker 0 00:21:37 Well, and just for clarity, you're a Mac
Speaker 1 00:21:39 User and that's right. Yeah. So I'm a Mac user cause, um, I use final cut pro most of the time I have been using premier pro for a while. Um, I personally find that premier pro takes a little bit longer to be able to edit everything the flow it's, it's, it's a lot more, um, I guess, detailed, but if I need to punch out a, um, as an edit, you know, in a day or so, I'll just use it in a final cut pro and right now I'm so used to final cut pro with all the shortcuts, with, you know, with everything come from collaborating to, you know, on transitions or whatever I was trying to call it. Um, I can again, bang a year out very, fairly, fairly quickly, um, where, you know, yeah. Look, premier pro is obviously top of the range for everyone else, but personally, well, I know you use a DaVinci resolve, right.
Speaker 0 00:22:35 Um, I've tried that as well, but transitioned across the event was not successful, but I actually didn't start off on the Vinci obviously, because I mean, if the Vinci has been around for ages, I think about 17.2 0.1 or something at the moment. Um, you know, but, uh, I actually started off on Vegas, uh, which was Sony Vegas when I first started. Um, and the reason for that was because it was built, uh, with a program called sound forge, which Sanford was an audio editing pro package. Cause I, I spent quite a few years working in the audio industry. Um,
Speaker 1 00:23:04 I, sorry. Um, I actually started editing on pinnacle if yeah, there you go.
Speaker 0 00:23:11 So Vegas was around the same time, possibly a little bit earlier than pinnacle Pinnacle's plague.
Speaker 1 00:23:17 That was shocking is the crash
Speaker 0 00:23:19 All the time. Exactly. But in saying that I have to say Vegas was just as bad as time went on to the point where you literally could not use the program for more than three minutes before it crashed. So you'd have to be in it's scary. Isn't it? Save it, save it, save it, save. It was just ridiculous. It was, um, instead of software
Speaker 1 00:23:35 Free software though, or is that you have to pay for that
Speaker 0 00:23:37 You had to pay for as, as it was. And then of course you, you know, right into, you know, DIA, Vegas people, please, what is wrong? What am I doing wrong? And you get no response or
Speaker 1 00:23:48 Would that, would that happen when you're actually editing like huge videos? Like we're talking about before?
Speaker 0 00:23:53 Oh, really back in the day wasn't in 4k seven, 20 P so crap like that. Um, you know, it was shot on my phone. I was actually a high quality. Um, no, but the back in the day it was just crap. It was really bad, but there was nothing else available other than pinnacle, which was just as bad. But it was, I think pinnacle is actually more intensive on the computer and being that I never did this as a, um, as a profession money and being a university student. And by the way, just, just for clarity, I've never studied at university photography. I haven't been fortunate like some of us. Um, but when I was at university studying other things, um, I couldn't afford to spend big bucks on computers and so on. Um, well
Speaker 1 00:24:32 Let's face it, sorry. Back then everything was so bloody expensive, you know, but the
Speaker 0 00:24:37 Programs weren't as, as intensive as they are nowadays
Speaker 1 00:24:39 As well. I mean, you know, to buy a camera back then you had to spend thousands and thousands of dollars, but
Speaker 0 00:24:44 It's not what your sign is.
Speaker 1 00:24:50 Actually, there's a joke. Actually. She had a fi uh, she, she said to me the other day, she's like, um, Marty's this scary scariest ally I'll, I'll marry Marty scared because when he dies or whatever else happens, I'll sell all my, all of his equipment for the price that he told me. He purchased that. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true.
Speaker 0 00:25:11 Oh, I was actually thinking about that earlier today and it's kind of funny that we think along the same lines, I was thinking when I die, I'm going to ask my wife to say to you, Hey Maddie, can you sell his equipment? Because you'll know what it's worth. And it's a scary amount, which I don't want her to cash. So she'll not the buy castle in The Bahamas or something. But, um, but at the end of it all,
Speaker 1 00:25:30 How expensive all this stuff is, and it becomes almost like an addiction, like my drain addiction at the moment. You know what I mean? It's
Speaker 0 00:25:36 I think we could do a whole episode on just an addiction being a counselor in.
Speaker 1 00:25:40 I should actually probably the one that episodes, the teachings of videography and photography.
Speaker 0 00:25:45 No, man, I don't, I, I'm not going to have another one. I don't need another one. Just one more.
Speaker 1 00:25:49 I wonder how many people are listeners and you know, how many people would actually do sort of getting to that. And they go, oh man, if only I had this lens, I could produce this image. You know? And if only I could have that camera, I can produce this type of footage. I mean,
Speaker 0 00:26:01 It's actually just a whole lens for one image. You know, reminds me of a couple of years. You've got the, um, that's super long thing. The
Speaker 1 00:26:10 Pro pro blends
Speaker 0 00:26:11 I'll have to call the board. I call it
Speaker 1 00:26:14 No, you call it whatever you want to call the image out of that meant amazing.
Speaker 0 00:26:17 I was going to say, it's the anal cam, but it's this long protruding thing with lights on the bottom. Like,
Speaker 1 00:26:23 Yeah. So it's a 24 mil, so wide angle macro lens, but it's a sort of a broomstick. Yeah. The whole thing is about 400, 450 millimeters. I think it is, um, with the LEDs of the, um, at the front, this is why you
Speaker 0 00:26:37 Can do internal body cavity searches
Speaker 1 00:26:39 With, uh, no thanks. But it depends how much you pay actually.
Speaker 0 00:26:43 Um, but yeah, so that type of lens, it's not the type of thing you can use on a regular basis, but we buy that one shot at well, in your case, a couple of shots, you've done a few
Speaker 1 00:26:53 Things. I love that lens and I cuddle it at
Speaker 0 00:26:56 Night. And um, but yeah, for example, if we were to ever pass away and we had partners with us, all those things off is that they're going to be like, what's he spent that much, you know, but, um, yeah,
Speaker 1 00:27:07 Yeah, it is a bit scary like that, but what can you do that? Lastly, you've got to satisfy the eviction somehow. And I explained to my wife, I said, look, you know, I'll make money out of this, you know, so it's okay. I'm not asking you for anything. I'm still paying all the bills. So it's all good. She's like, yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Just go back to your studio. Thank you. Bye.
Speaker 0 00:27:27 What I need this other lens. Definitely. How many people out there can relate to that? I wonder if that will be here. Everyone's nodding at the moment. Yeah, it is. And, and, and, you know, photography and videography. Um, but to some degree it is an addiction. Um, it is. Yeah. I mean, I'm just sitting here looking around your studio at the moment and
Speaker 1 00:27:49 We are in Australia at the moment. It's kind of, um, I've actually built a, what about a year ago now? Um, so it's a, um, it's a double star garage, so I parked my car on the bottom and the whole top is just my studio. So, but what are you seeing? Come on telling
Speaker 0 00:28:04 Me, I'm saying my rise vehicles, everyone
Speaker 1 00:28:07 Between skateboards in my one wheel. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:28:09 Yeah. And, and drones and horrible Mac sitting in the corner. Yeah. It
Speaker 1 00:28:14 Is a horrible Mac. I know you don't like
Speaker 0 00:28:18 Using it, but, um, but yeah. Um, what am I, so back to the original topic,
Speaker 1 00:28:25 Which was, I used actually feel that now,
Speaker 0 00:28:28 What are we here for?
Speaker 1 00:28:29 Well, I guess we had just to talk about how we, our experiences with clients, I guess, to gear, to our knowledge, to share to people, I guess as well, you know, we've done this now for together, for over in, uh, six, seven years. Um,
Speaker 0 00:28:44 And variety of knowledge because given camera equipment, also one of the things that a lot of people don't talk about is your interactions with clients. Yeah, that's true. I think that that's probably something that more people need to speak about because
Speaker 1 00:28:56 Once you start working with clients, I think it's totally different. It's more about the relationship then, then sometimes the end video, to be honest with you.
Speaker 0 00:29:03 It's true. Um, and that is one of the things that that's one thing we can take away from this session is the relationship. You have a wish your client and the way you speak to them. And the way you hype yourself up is probably more important than the final product. Because if they believe in you, regardless, if you give them a piece of crap, that's being shot on a Canon DSLR, the on three, just video, um, you know, they will accept it. And, you know, there's, there's little things like that, which I think is really important. That's one of the reasons we're here. So talk about that. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Um, and also from a camera and gear perspective, we both do the same thing, but we use very different equipment so we can review those. Um, hopefully bringing in a few guests, I guess, along the way and basically see what they think about us now. Um, and I think one of the other things that I'd really like to talk, I talk about is travel fatigue.
Speaker 1 00:29:57 Yeah. Well, we've done a bit of traveling together, I guess as well. We did India and the pole. I'm hoping to be a little bit more after all this COVID. Yeah,
Speaker 0 00:30:05 Yeah. Pretty much. We're just waiting for that, but you've traveled to a number of countries as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:30:10 Yeah. So I, um, I did a fair bit of traveling, I guess, you know, and I try to travel once a year for a couple of weeks, at least, um, the wife hates me for that, but you know, I said to her, you know, all the kids kill me, kill me when I'm dead. Don't worry. But, um, yeah, look, um, I think 2019, we did south America. So with the, uh, then I went to Santiago, so yeah. So Chile Patagonia, then we flew up to Peru and Machu
Speaker 0 00:30:37 Picchu. It's an amazing country.
Speaker 1 00:30:39 Oh, that's fantastic. I know you've been there as well.
Speaker 0 00:30:42 Yeah. I've still got one of my wristbands from the store. My hand doesn't come up. It's
Speaker 1 00:30:47 Great to have that sort of memorabilia too. So yeah. I have like a whole bunch. I know I did. They all sort of fell off and you know, this integrated. So, but, um, yeah. And I look when I, we did, um, I did a couple of years back. We did no way in Iceland as well. And I mean, you can't go wrong with those countries
Speaker 0 00:31:03 And I've seen your photos. I mean, I've got one on the wall in front of me right now. It's just, it's amazing. It's like, uh, that's the one place I haven't been to yet. I'd love to go. But my problem at the moment is, um, well then COVID obviously, um, is actually finding the time to able to get there because it's actually quite a difficult place to get to. It's not as
Speaker 1 00:31:20 , I think it took me almost 30 or 35 hours to get there. Cause you from, from Australia. I mean, we both in Australia and in Melbourne and you fly from Melbourne to, um, like Hong Kong or something like that. And then from Hong Kong, you gotta fly to Finland or to, I actually flew to London, I think it was. And then, um, from London, you've got to go to Oslo, which is in Norway then from, you know, I mean all of these flights obviously take time and the obviously connecting flights and everything else. So you've got to, you know, 3, 4, 5, 6 hour connecting time. And then from, um, from Oslo, we flew up to Lofoten islands, which is up north of, um, Norway. And because there's such a hard places to get to, you had to catch a really small planes and, um, and it's kind of scary cause we sort of wanted to see the, I'd say the aura, you know, the, um, Northern lights, um, you kind of got to get there in a winter where you have longer nighttimes and um, you kind of flying in the middle of winter, which is now minus 20 minus 30 degrees and you're flying this small planes with propellors on them and you kind of go yeah.
Speaker 1 00:32:32 And with ice, you know, so where we actually, uh, we flew and um, we kind of sitting there and all of a sudden you can hear, you know, and it's like, what the hell is that banging or whatever else and the, and the hostess or the stewardess, whatever. Um, she she's turning around and she was like, oh, that's all right, don't worry about it. It's just ice forming on the propeller and just hitting the cabin. And it's like, oh, I'm at the house going on.
Speaker 1 00:32:57 But like, yeah, no, you fly too. So we flew to his five up, um, which is like, it's just amazing. And then from suave, I, you sort of fly and, you know, you catch another sort of, um, buses and, you know, I don't know cars and it's all in winter sites. It's such a hard place to get to. So, um, but originally I'm from Poland as well. So I was actually born over there and then came to Australia when I was about 12 years old. And I mean, I've so Poland, hell of a lot to, saponins amazing for that sort of stuff. And um, yeah. What about yourself then? What, or have you been, uh,
Speaker 0 00:33:30 No, wait, no, I I've actually traveled quite extensively. Um, and there's a lot of countries that I did take photos at, but once again, the technical knowledge, wasn't there to capture the photos properly. Um, been to Egypt, China, Singapore, um, America, south America. Um, she's, I've
Speaker 1 00:33:48 Been around
Speaker 0 00:33:48 Europe as well, Europe. Yeah. I've got a huge background, um, multiple countries in Europe. Um, but I have to say the one trip that stands out the most would be India, Nepal, and we tracked through there.
Speaker 1 00:34:03 Oh, that trip. It's actually funny because, um, when you suggested that trip to me a couple of years back, let's he, the MIT come come into on the pole with me, I got bright man. There's nothing that I don't want to see. And that's how close that is. It's true. You know, cause we're in Melbourne, you know, we in Australia in a, you know, wonderful country and wonderful city and you kind of look at it, I don't need to go anywhere and, but that's open your eyes, you know, and
Speaker 0 00:34:27 It's beautiful in its own
Speaker 1 00:34:28 Beautiful, fantastic photography and videography point. Actually, I love it. It's, it's just like the color, the way that people dress, you know, the people, the way people will sort of, you know, interact with you. And I don't know, I, to be honest with you, I've done, you know, I've done Europe, I've done south America. I've done, you know, north America. Uh, well I went to S you know, a few places there as well, but to be honest with you, I think, um, India is probably one of the places in the pole that will go when they go back to it, you know?
Speaker 0 00:34:56 Yeah. There's so much history of error as well. Beautiful. You know? Um, and you know, I want to go back there again and fly through the Himalayas. Like we did last time and hopefully this time not coming down, the altitude sickness that was sickening. That was yeah. Four days in bed rolling around like sweats pouring off me. And I thought I was going to
Speaker 1 00:35:14 Die handle it. I'm
Speaker 0 00:35:16 Not good. Even when we went to Costco, um, south America, it was, I, I suffered got out of the plane. It was,
Speaker 1 00:35:22 It's a funny feeling. Cause when I went to Cusco as well, I got out of the plane, I got to add, this is going to be all right and bullshit. You know, when people talk shit and whatever else, and then you kind of step out of their plan and you go,
Speaker 0 00:35:33 Um, a
Speaker 1 00:35:37 Really surreal feeling that you kind of think to yourself, Hey, I'm what the hell. In fact, a can't breathe. It's like, you know, I don't have,
Speaker 0 00:35:45 It's actually weird because I mean, when we were through the Himalayas, you didn't struggle with
Speaker 1 00:35:49 Now what we do in the army in Himalayas that we only got to about 3000 meters. Well, if I'm in an airplane with airplane,
Speaker 0 00:35:56 We were planning on in the airplane. We were in these little elements. Sorry. I could, I could explain to people that these are almost literally what like three and a half meters long. It's
Speaker 1 00:36:05 Lucky men smaller than an assistant, or I think it's,
Speaker 0 00:36:07 It's like a, to see the plane that was lit. It looked like a go-cart, it didn't look like a plane. Um, and the windows open up. So you can literally have blue in those and hanging out the
Speaker 1 00:36:15 Window. I see two, I think it was for
Speaker 0 00:36:18 4,700.
Speaker 1 00:36:20 Yeah. I think it was about close to 5,000 meters. I think it was
Speaker 0 00:36:24 Halfway up. I started feeling the impacts of it, but I remember opening the window and hanging out the window, uh, you know, and literally freezing your ass off. I like three seconds of holding the camera, trying to take photos before the burn was going through the gloves, thermal gloves and everything. And you could actually feel a burning sensation. It was horrible. Um, so that was an experience. That was amazing. But yeah, like just, yeah, if I could go back again, I definitely would take some altitude sickness pills. I think
Speaker 1 00:36:50 This one totally agree. Look, I think, um, you,
Speaker 0 00:36:53 You dealt with it fine. You jumped out of the,
Speaker 1 00:36:56 I actually felt sick and bit as well, but I'm not like my, yeah, not, I think it hit me that bad. Although, you know, saying that, uh, um, when we did, um, rainbow mountain up in, um, Peru, um, that that really hit me cause we sort of got to about 4,000 meters and I needed oxygen on that as well. So my wife actually sent me a photo cause, uh, at that time we went during spring carnival, actually in Melbourne. So in Melbourne there was spring racing. So she was out partying and drinking her Vino and you know, and champagnes and whatever else. And then she compared, and then I sent her my photo with oxygen in the middle of nowhere, you know, and then she goes to,
Speaker 0 00:37:33 It, does it, those are comparison photos, Facebook. I saw that and she was living it up and she was like, oh, like lying cause oxygen.
Speaker 1 00:37:41 That was tough. But I made it, you know, and you know what, the funny thing is, you know, you kind of think to yourself and you kind of look at it and go shit. You know, I did it, you know what I mean? It's
Speaker 0 00:37:52 Brilliant. If you could change it and not say
Speaker 1 00:37:56 Stop that man. It's like, it's funny
Speaker 0 00:37:57 Comfort zone. Exactly. When you're on your death bed, which you know, you're going to be sitting there and you have to think back to yourself. I, you know, I did this and I did that and I traveled here on a service and, you know, um, and I think that's one of the most important things. And that's what I want to get back to this show that we're going to be doing. Um, I think we will be talking about our travel experiences and possibly trips and locations and so on. Um,
Speaker 1 00:38:21 Well I, yeah, sorry, go on. No, no, no. Cause we're talking about travel and whatever else. So obviously I run my YouTube channel as well. Melbourne images. Yes. And, um, I try to give back to a lot of photographers and in Melbourne and people that are coming to Melbourne by showing them the locations as well. So I think location is a really good thing too, to show people to what to expect, what they should expect.
Speaker 0 00:38:44 But at the same time though, uh, and this, this happens a lot with those, uh, you know, not YouTube specifically, but um, what the hell was the other, uh, posting art? I don't use these Facebook, Instagram, that's it? Sorry. I'm not a huge fan of Instagram. Everyone loves Instagram except for me. Um, but anyway, so on Instagram, the, those people who go off and they take a photo of themselves in the Bush and then like 4,000 other people have to go into the same place and take the same photo and they destroy the environment when they're getting there. And they're like, yeah, our L natural look how natural everything is and they're drinking the water bottle and they put them into the bushes and shopping, they step on everything, they break everything, you know? Um, yeah. So those types of things, I think that to some degree, we also, you know, whilst we're giving direction to people, we also need to promote that, you know, you need to tread lightly, which is actually a full drug. Yeah. Um, you know, so you need to inspect it and respect the environment and, you know, be mindful that other people want to see the same things. And there's a lot of places being closed down, but I think we should possibly be doing episodes about different locations. Um, so similar to your posts and what is the title of your YouTube post by the way. So that,
Speaker 1 00:39:51 So it's Melbourne, Melbourne images. Um, so if you jump onto YouTube, just type in Melbourne, the images and big M L will come up, then that's me ML M I um, but, um, yeah, so it's Melbourne images, but what I try to do is, um, try to keep the channel, I guess, um, focused on few other things as well. So it's not just Melbourne sort of in general. Um, I do talk about a lot of Melbourne locations, photography locations, and, um, I show my time they've stalled graphy there as well. Um, so, but I put a lot of maps in and obviously tell people, you know, this is place to be to be able to get this kind of image. But what I'll also do is I'm trying to talk about proning. Um, so recently, probably six to eight months, I've been fairly heavily, heavily easing into the FPV joining us.
Speaker 1 00:40:42 So for those who don't know, what's an FPV drone, it's a first person view drone. So you put your goggles on and you fly like a mad through, you know, through whatever you're on the fly. So, um, so yeah, it's, um, it's, it's, it's a channel that try to do a few other things, you know, so I do a fair bit of hiking as well with, um, pure other guys. And, um, and hiking is probably one of the places that, you know, a lot of people don't get to. And I just wanted to show that on there on a YouTube channel as well. Um, what else? I do show on it. I, so yeah, travel a bit of training, um, and just bit of technical things on, on trains and other things as well as just to show my knowledge on it, you know? Um, yeah. But, um, but we'll,
Speaker 0 00:41:31 We'll be discussing that for different episodes where the definitely the drone episode where I can talk about all the incidences that I have when I'm droning,
Speaker 1 00:41:38 You have a dragon, I do have a drone
Speaker 0 00:41:40 And every time I take it out, I have an accident.
Speaker 1 00:41:42 Um, it's scary, man. Cause when I saw, as soon as I got to the FPV joint, I've sort of noticed, Hey, um, I just need this type of drunk for two to fly freestyle. And I need this type of drugs to long range and droning, and I need this type of drone to do, make sure that it's nice and a safe Scott, propeller guards and everything else on it. So I think now I'm sort of after about five or six trains. So
Speaker 0 00:42:03 It's like me, I had similar experiences. Like I discovered that I needed other drawing that doesn't go into walls and I don't need a drone that goes into trees or it doesn't hit people or doesn't explode mid-flight um, or drone story are quite negative actually. It's like, but we'll edit it down a lot. And we'll be doing an episode about drones and the different things that you should look for when buying a drone and flying a drone for that, for that. Um, and also other things that we could possibly be covering in future. We'll also include product reviews.
Speaker 1 00:42:33 We're hoping to, we'll see how it goes,
Speaker 0 00:42:35 I guess. I mean, we're all constantly buying stuff, so there's money,
Speaker 1 00:42:40 There's tripods,
Speaker 0 00:42:41 Anything for free, we pay for everything ourselves. Uh self-funded um, so send us money now, now. Um, but that that's, that's the type of thing that you should be expecting from the show. Um, you know, and isn't it funny also we might be doing the chicken.
Speaker 1 00:42:55 Well, I don't know. Look, I think what you're going to try to keep it open and share our knowledge on a lot of things. I mean, I want them to sort of talk about a lot of things from a client perspective as well, that, um, sort of a lot of people getting into this sort of, um, industry now as well. And I think, um, a lot of people sort of want to know more about how to start off with photography, um, and turn their hobby into pain in the past.
Speaker 0 00:43:23 And it is, and one thing I will add is, um, it doesn't just happen. It's actually quite structured and you need to. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:43:29 And it's funny because a lot of people sort of getting to them, I want to become a photographer in VR filing. I want to do this and I want to do this, but you know what it takes years and years, you know, a lot of people look at me and they look at my gear and you know, I'm sure they look at you as well with all your gear and they go, Hey, Evan, you got so much in so many cool things and whatever else, but hang on, man. Like we haven't got there overnight yet.
Speaker 0 00:43:49 And I was going to say that I didn't look at my clothes, which are all torn. And I look like I haven't eaten for like six months, not true.
Speaker 1 00:43:54 Um, but yeah, look, a lot of people do sort of look at that and they go, you know, you got someone, you search some in drones and you look so cool and you produce so many cool videos and whatever else, which I don't really think they are called, but you know, people say to me at work and whatever else I do have a part-time job is by the way as well, it's just,
Speaker 0 00:44:10 Uh, to, to fund his habit, to find the hell. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, look, it's because of many years of, uh, of continuous, uh, you know, working in the industry, uh, and that's why you've been able to do what you do well, you've got learn
Speaker 1 00:44:22 And grow that knowledge and
Speaker 0 00:44:24 It has to grow. It's not going to happen overnight. And another thing that we want to do in future is also bringing in people to talk about their experiences. Um, you know, people beginning people who are very advanced and just getting them as people to, to provide answers or direction or even post questions. So
Speaker 1 00:44:42 No, obviously a fair bit of professionals in the, in the industry as well. You know, I mean, I mean, we know from the professional photographers in, um, in a lot of other industries and I think, try to bring them onto the street, into the studio and into the shot onto the show, it will give a lot of in-depth information and understanding to a lot of people, even ourselves. I mean, we do this because we learning, we constantly are learning about,
Speaker 0 00:45:06 And that's that's life. I mean, the day you stop learning is the day you die. I should share. Yeah. It's a constant and every day there's new technology, there's new methods of doing things and you need to be on your toes if you don't keep up to date with that type of stuff, you'll be stepped on by everyone else. Oh yeah, for sure. Yeah. Um, and that, that's a really important part of it, I think. Um, yeah. So look, that's pretty much us. This is who we are. This is what we do. Um, you know, and if down the track you've got any questions at all, you can feel free to give us a holler, uh, our contact details down bottom, um, subscription in the description, something strange looking faces on the, um, on the profile page. Um, so look, thank you very much for tuning in. Thanks. Ma'am um,
Speaker 1 00:45:46 Yeah. So, um, thanks for everyone. So if you have any other questions yeah. To throw in the email or, you know, message us, um, so Instagram sort of tags, if you want to sort of know, we'll put everything into the notes, but, um, so mine is, uh, Melbourne dot images, uh, in Instagram. So at Melbourne images and Melbourne videographers, a Melbourne videographer is actually, um, all my sort of, uh, BTS or behind the scenes sort of shots and other things, um, where I show my gear, where I show how I do things. Um, I try to include, um, videos of, you know, my setups and, you know, my post productions and things as well. Um, there's, uh, two main things. Um, Evan, what tags do you have our name and their parts of life? I know.
Speaker 0 00:46:29 So I've, uh, photography, I think is actually my Instagram. Once you post a
Speaker 1 00:46:33 Lot of things on that on
Speaker 0 00:46:34 Instagram. No, no hardly ever do. Like I said, it's not one of my platforms. I appreciate, um, the square one by one picture doesn't work for me. I like landscape photography, you know? Um, and when you can press half the image, you know, you cut it off, it just doesn't look. Right. So I've never been a huge fan. Um, I usually post on Facebook. Uh, so old school, I believe Facebook is for the oldest. That's my, uh, so you'll find me on the pixel life studios with an S on the end cause it's multiple studios. Um, and also the website, pixel life, uh, dot com that I use my website. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1 00:47:10 Yeah. Melbourne. Oh yeah. I've got a website as well. It's actually quite old now I've got to change it. I'm going to update it because I think it's probably about three years old now, but yeah, it's Melbourne images.com that I use. So, um, the website is, um, I think I've set up the website a while back when I actually was a lot more heavily into photography. Yeah. Component. It's just sort of, you know, I think a lot of people said, um, you know, picture tells a thousand words, right. But with videos these days, you know, even 32nd video it tells a million words, you know what I mean? And a lot of, a lot of people look at that and, um, it definitely, uh, it's definitely true. I think, you know, definitely. So, yeah. So anyway, um, thanks heaps for training for the first episode, I'm hoping, and we both hoping to have lot more than that and, um, to share a lot of information with everyone and, um, yeah, just give us a whole year and uh, if you see us anywhere and, uh, yeah, Maria, all right.
Speaker 0 00:48:07 And apart from me, see you on episode two.
