Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:00 Welcome to seeking focus, episode number 12, and on episode number 12, we talk about flight club
Speaker 1 00:00:08 And the first rule of fly club is
Speaker 0 00:00:12 You do not talk about fall club. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1 00:00:15 Wow.
Speaker 2 00:00:19 Welcome to seeking focus. Paul Costa provides photographers and videographers with a place to critically compare technology, share ideas. I didn't have that skills.
Speaker 0 00:00:32 Hello. Hello. Hello. Welcome to seeking focus, episode number 11, which episode are we doing,
Speaker 1 00:00:42 Man, number 12, number 12, number 12,
Speaker 0 00:00:45 Number 12,
Speaker 1 00:00:46 12. We actually had 10, a few weeks ago and
Speaker 0 00:00:49 They only say, um, if you hit more than seven, then you're doing well. So I guess we're doing kind of, okay. I hopefully we're getting some listeners, but I don't know for sure what I'll ask that. I don't even know what our stats are.
Speaker 1 00:01:02 Amazing, amazing stats. I actually, haven't bothered to look at the stats. She's a couple of months, so I'm presuming you're going well,
Speaker 0 00:01:09 We're still doing this online, still throwing it, the zoom and it's painful. And I want to see all of you guys in, um, in-person and on a photo walk in the city or something like that, but, um, hopefully end of this month, eh, well, when this is airing, then, then hopefully we'll be out of lockdown and then we can catch up. So, uh, yeah, we'll see how it goes. A
Speaker 1 00:01:32 I've actually got a number of shoots lined up just waiting to happen. Um, you know, photography walks and stuff like that. Uh, so it will be interesting. Be interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:01:40 Yes, it will be interesting. See how it goes. Hey, Hey. How was your weekend? Your way this week, man? Hey, how you been doing much? Are you,
Speaker 1 00:01:47 No, you have a lot of podcasts editing. Um, so it just, it, it, it, uh, been doing a lot of that and also spending a lot of time, uh, rebuilding the RC car that we spoke about in the last episode, we're getting
Speaker 0 00:01:58 Into RC staff.
Speaker 1 00:02:01 Um, this week I was at local parks K park, and I was launching it off jumps and learning three jumps down. And, you know, I was, I was actually getting really good at it. And at one stage I took off and I gave it a little bit more stick and the car went flying through the year and the wheel came off and went flying into a whole bunch of people. Or the car actually landed fine in three wheels, but the
Speaker 0 00:02:20 Wheel it's all good, man. My drawings all the time,
Speaker 1 00:02:24 It actually landed. Okay. It was the wheel where they projected into this crowd and smack someone in the head. So you got this big, big, massive wheel that smack someone in the head. And then you're like
Speaker 0 00:02:34 He said, assay driving. It's just as dangerous as I said, flying drones and airplanes eight.
Speaker 1 00:02:39 It's a big squishy wheel. So it's probably not as bad as a blade cutting you to pieces, but it's okay. Cause a bit of damage, I guess. Uh, how about yourself?
Speaker 0 00:02:47 Um, I've been just flat out with my part-time job, man. Um, as most of us listens, you know, listen, there's no that I don't actually do photography and videography full time. Um, I try to keep it a bit general changing around. So my part-time jobs just been smashing me and it's just been, you know, today I had a, like a massive migraine cause just a much work that I had to do. So yeah.
Speaker 1 00:03:09 Oh, during lockdown, you wouldn't be allowed to do pole dancing and stripping.
Speaker 0 00:03:13 Come on now. I know you pay big bucks to see you, man. I know that. I'm all good, man. All good, but um, yeah, this show, this week's show. We've got a, a, a Chris from flight club with us. Hey Chris, how you going?
Speaker 3 00:03:34 Hello, Maria. Thank you very much for having me on the show.
Speaker 0 00:03:38 Thanks man. Chris is, um, he's got a yeah, well, he's probably one of the most successful YouTubers that I know actually on the market at the moment he's got a YouTube channel. That's a 30 over 30,000 subscribers and uh, his YouTube channel is called flight club and it's all about, uh, T tell us Chris, what's it about?
Speaker 3 00:04:00 So yeah, look, flight club is a, is all about, uh, flight training. So it's all animation and, um, it, uh, it covers theory for, for students wanting to learn how to fly airplanes. Uh, yeah. Um, quite a few, uh, gamers, uh, also, uh, my year regular viewers. So student, um, uh, you know, gamers for flight team, uh, gamers,
Speaker 0 00:04:30 They let us all cool. And they obviously learn how airplanes work and how all the bits and pieces, because your channel goes into quite a bit of depth, how airplanes work, how does the, um, you know, I was watching a couple of the episodes that you did was about like the mark one, mark two and speed and aerodynamics and other things. And it's really good from my perspective because as you know, I fly drones as well. And, um, you know, that sort of comes into a little bit of understanding on how things work in the air basically.
Speaker 3 00:05:03 Yeah, yeah. So I talk about aerodynamics and, um, you know, uh, systems, aircraft systems and, uh, yeah, it's, it's pretty much, uh, a wide range of topics from basic to pretty advanced those topics that you would be learning about if you were training to become an airline pilot, um, as well. Yeah. Which is what you've just mentioned, Mac numbers, et cetera.
Speaker 0 00:05:28 Hmm. Interesting. It's obviously a very, um, well, it's a big subject, isn't it like aerodynamics and air aviation in general is a huge, huge subject. So I think, um, you know, it's a really good thing to talk about and to very niche-y, um, subjects on YouTube, right?
Speaker 3 00:05:48 It is, it is actually, uh, looked at, there are many channels, uh, that, that do talk about aviation. Uh, but, um, I focus mainly on the theory. Uh, so my background is actually, uh, as a flight instructor, so I teach people how to fly airplanes, pilot yourself. Oh yeah. I'm yes, yes. Yeah. I've been doing it for a while and I've also been teaching teaching students in, in a sort of like a classroom environment. So, uh, years ago, when, you know, when I was teaching part-time students, I was unable to find any good videos on YouTube that would, you know, kind of, um, supplement that the theory that we were talking about in the limited time. Yep. So I was after, you know, uh, videos that that would kind of explain the more intricate elements of the theory. I mean, there was some amazing stuff on YouTube, but a lot that I found, you know, what are your typical videos that are a little bit too long or, or convoluted, uh, bad audio, that type of stuff.
Speaker 3 00:06:50 Um, also at the same time I was, I was reading a very interesting book. Um, and, uh, the, this book is called brain rules, uh, 12 principles for us surviving and thriving at work home and school. It's by Dr. John Medina. And there's one particular statement from this book that, that kind of stood out, um, for me and I put it on my website and it goes something like this. Um, uh, if, if we teach through a speech alone, then on the 10% of the information is retained. Uh, if we use visual on lean, then that goes up to 35%. But when we combine both, we get six times better results, which is 65%. So to me, there's just meant animation. You know, if you want to teach someone if you want to be effective animate. So basically, yeah, at that time I decided to make my own, my, my own animation and, uh, from, uh, put together this, this little channel on YouTube.
Speaker 0 00:07:56 Interesting, interesting. And obviously we worked because obviously people are subscribing to you and, um, and that's why we here on the show to sort of pick your brain on this, how this whole thing works. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 00:08:09 Uh, yeah, look, um, it's, uh, yeah, I set this channel, uh, up about seven years ago. Uh, I haven't been very active on YouTube throughout that whole time. I must admit. I mean, there were periods when I didn't, you know, post any, any, uh, any content for a year or so. Uh, yeah, look, I'm, I'm a lot more consistent now and I can see that that's actually working out well for me. Uh, so yeah, I think, um,
Speaker 0 00:08:39 Let's turn over, go back a little bit. So, so the reason why you actually started the YouTube channel is just to sort of teach people, eh, aviation, like the, the, the general, I dunno, basically general understanding ideation and it just best portray. Did you actually start it to make money though? Or did you actually just, are you just wanting to sort of get the information out there? Just have some sort of a, I guess, you know, just interaction with people. Like, can you give us more information on that?
Speaker 3 00:09:07 Yes. Look, uh, money. No, that, that was not a motivator for me. I have, I didn't actually monetize the channel for a long time on only quite recently, I decided to do this because the expenses of running a channel is actually quite high. So yeah, look, yeah. My, my intention was to, uh, to provide, uh, students with, um, with some additional information. A lot of the theory that I was teaching was very difficult to explain in a classroom, environmental, you know, on a whiteboard animation is, is, is fantastic in that sense, you know, when you can show movement, uh, when, when you can add narration to it, uh, it, it works really well. And, you know, my students were able to do this in their own time. So, so there was, uh, there was benefit to it. Um, I had a lot of presentations already, already done in keynote. So for those people that don't know,
Speaker 0 00:10:06 Is that what you started off with yet? So keynote.
Speaker 3 00:10:10 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So keynote is the equivalent of Microsoft PowerPoint in the mock environment. So I had those presentations and what I did was I just decided to convert those into animation. A lot of people don't notice, but you can actually animate in PowerPoint and keynote. Uh it's it's not, not, uh, probably not the, the workflow workflow that I would recommend. Um, you know, there's no timeline, there's no layers in, in keynote, but it can be done. So a lot of my earlier videos were done in keynote. I, I was lucky enough to get a really good, um, uh, no rater. So we put the voiceover and ended up, yeah, it worked. Yeah, it worked.
Speaker 0 00:10:51 It's funny how it works because, um, the sound and animation just goes well together and you have a right sound person to obviously talk about it and the, the, the voice, and then people look at the actual animation component as well. It just works. Doesn't it like, I'm not as with my YouTube channel as well. I mean, yeah, I've got bloody a hundred, 300 subscribers on my YouTube channel, which is crap. I'm hoping everyone's going to jump on and subscribe so I can get 30,000 like Chris, but, you know, um, I've not, I started doing obviously animations on my YouTube channel as well. So every time I do a video, um, basically what it does is, um, I talk about specific locations, say in Melbourne or Sydney or Brisbane, which hopefully we can travel to soon. Um, and they're basically what I do. I do an animation of the location, like map and stuff like that. It's all in keynote, which is pretty crap. So how long have you done keynote for like when you started up the YouTube channel? Because he knows very straightforward. You know what I mean? How long have you actually done the keynote for? And then when did you actually switch over to Adobe? Because I've know you, that you edited everything on Adobe after effects at the moment.
Speaker 3 00:12:01 Yeah, look, uh, Adobe, uh, that's. That happened quite recently for me. So, uh, during lockdown in, in, in Melbourne, um, I had a bit of spare time, so I, I, uh, subscribed to Skillshare and, uh, set a few courses in, uh, in, uh, Adobe after effects and, um, yeah, look, um, he intimidated the hell out of me, uh, at the start. I must admit, uh,
Speaker 0 00:12:30 Just,
Speaker 3 00:12:32 Just the interface, you know, is enough to put you off, but, you know, once you learn it, like, like, like everything big, you know, it makes sense of the, the puzzle, all the pieces fall into place. And, um, yeah, I feel pretty comfortable, uh, in after effects now. So, um, yeah, look, uh, most of my videos were done in, in, um, in keynote, but, uh, all the recent that stuff in after effects. And I'm so glad I actually made this jump because, um, yeah, you can't really compare it so much easier after effects is just so much more powerful. Yeah. Yeah. So, um,
Speaker 0 00:13:11 That's brilliant, man. Um, I think everyone say something as well. He he's been nice and quiet, speak up, brother.
Speaker 1 00:13:18 Uh, I just want to look, I have to say I've watched the videos and the keynote ones are actually quite impressive, uh, for what they are. Um, and you know, hearing that you're using after effects is really interesting because, um, uh, very early on, I actually did use after a fixed for a few of my productions, probably about five, six years ago. Um, you know, they, they weren't bad, but the amount of effort that went into it was just astronomical and I pretty much gave up on the package recently. I reopened that again and, um, looked at it as went, I don't know what the hell's going on here and I don't have the time to learn it. So I've closed it. Um, is it, I mean, for me personally, it just, it wasn't a logical progression. I normally I open up a package and everything just makes sense. Um, and you can sort of, you know, stumble your way through it and produce something within half an hour. I literally, after effects, sat there looking at it for like half an hour and I still didn't know what was going on and I just closed it. I thought I've had enough. Uh, so I've paid for the package it's sitting there. I don't use it. Um, but, uh, how long would it take you to actually become proficient at it?
Speaker 3 00:14:15 Uh, look, I'm still learning. Uh, it's, it's so powerful. I don't think I ever will. Uh, I feel comfortable to be able to animate pretty much anything that I imagine in my mind now. Uh, so it, that took me probably a good one year, uh, of practice. Uh, but you know, with, with after effects, I find that you, you have to understand the fundamentals, the basics. So if you do that, if you, if you, uh, if you understand what every little bit does and how it all fits together, then it really does make sense. And it's not that hard. It just takes time and practice. It's um, it's not a matter of just looking at some tutorial on YouTube, you know, you actually have to put the time into practicing.
Speaker 0 00:15:05 I think so I think that's pretty much anything though, because I mean, you know, like I've obviously been, I've been quite efficient with, uh, proficient with, um, after effects, but I've noticed that if I put it down for a week or even, you know, three or four days, I almost forget what to do and what I learned, you know, a week earlier, you know what I mean? So it's almost like you have to just keep on going, keep on going and it just picks it up and it would just stick to your brain mud. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:15:32 But I, I spent half an hour on it at least, and you know, half an hour, it was like, you're too
Speaker 0 00:15:39 Old brother. I want to tell you how much younger than you. I made.
Speaker 1 00:15:44 I was just gonna say how much my back's hurting me and I've got to get my walking seat. Um, but yeah, no, it's a look. It's one of those things where it's extremely powerful. I do want to learn it, but I just don't have the patience for it at the moment. So I think next time I need any graphics work or animation, I'm just gonna give you a whole Chris.
Speaker 0 00:15:58 That's definitely. Chris is your man. Hey, Christie, you know, um, has, have you noticed like increase in like subscribers on your YouTube channel since you started doing that, um, Adobe after effects animation, or do you find that, you know, it w it didn't really help a lot. Do you think when people are starting off or when people are doing animation, YouTube channel or, you know, whatever else do you think the animation quantity versus quality does it mean?
Speaker 3 00:16:25 I don't think it does. I don't think so. Uh, yeah. Look, uh, my subscriber count has been pretty constant, uh, throughout a lot of my keynote animations. Um, my, uh, highest rated and the, they have the most views. Yeah. I mean, they've been around for a bit longer than some of my new content, which is the Adobe effects content, of course. But, um, I look, I don't think so. Uh, you know, I think if you, it's more about the actual value that you provide in, in your, in your video. So I, I placed a lot of focus on, on the script. Uh, probably majority of my time, uh, that I, that I spend in, in creating each video is, is spent on, on research and writing the script and then editing the script. Um, so, you know, I'll, I'll spend that say a week, writing a script for a video, and then I'll spend many more days after that, editing it, basically removing anything that, you know, I don't think fits well or shouldn't be there, even that single word in the sentence, you know, just to, to make it as concise as possible. And that seems to resonate with my view is yeah.
Speaker 0 00:17:45 Yeah. Unlike I like my V2 videos because my, my, my VHB is go, yeah, there they come here. Take some Fridays. And you cool, bro. It's like, uh, yeah, that you actually put thought, and then, you know, obviously effort between behind you view. I mean, not that I don't put any effort into my videos, but you know, it's, um, recently come on, Evan, why are you laughing at me for laughing at
Speaker 1 00:18:08 All?
Speaker 0 00:18:10 But you know what I, um, during lockdown though, I think, um, well, my, myself as well, because I can't go anywhere, I can't do anything. I've just been doing like videos on my drones and whatever else. And, um, and there's been obviously a bit of prescribers jumping on that as well, which is great. But have you seen that, um, the lockdown has affected you much?
Speaker 3 00:18:30 Ah, it has. And I'm not in a good way actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not in a good way. So since COVID my, uh, viewer count dropped, uh, I think the reason being is that, you know, my channel is, is, is, is quite niche. So I provide a value to students learning how to fly airplanes and aviation did not fare too well during COVID. So a lot of schools stopped operating. A lot of people lost their jobs. So yeah, look, uh, that didn't work out too well, but it's picking up now. I can see, I can see that. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:19:09 I think that you would have thought that, um, like people will try to upscale themselves or, you know, try to obviously get more understanding on in YouTube because I've noticed a lot of other sort of, you know, some YouTube is that I felt like because of luck that everyone's stuck at home, um, you know, it's helped them obviously jumping onto the, you know, subscriber write ups and whatever else as well, but I guess each to their own end, the nichey subject matter that you talk about is obviously a lot different as well. So yeah. What do you think Devin?
Speaker 1 00:19:41 Yeah, and I looked definitely, um, to be honest with you during lockdown, I haven't had a chance to jump onto YouTube at all. I've just been doing homeschooling and tearing my hair out, uh, with the screaming kids. If I can, I do have a question which I wanted to ask Chris, um, and taking a step back with the production of your videos. We're talking about your video production and using animation and, you know, seeing the difference in, in people watching it. And so on. One of the things that I have is very, very, very, very, very strong belief, uh, when it comes to video production, especially for things like YouTube, uh, that audio is more important than video. That's my strong theory. And I tell people that, um, I strongly believe that if a video images crappy, but the audio is clear, people will sit there and still watch it because they can hear the audio and stuff. And then they deal with the crappy image. But if they've got a fantastic image, but the audio is distorted and sounds like crap, they just won't hang around. I'll switch off. What do you think is more important? The visuals or the audio for,
Speaker 3 00:20:37 Yeah, look the, the audio by, by far, this is actually one of my mistakes that I've made, um, with some of my content, what I, what I did was, uh, I, I, I recorded the narration and then put music over over the top of it. And in quite a number of my videos that the music is just too loud. It's too distracting. It's not appropriate. And, um, I actually do get a little bit of negative feedback on that. Uh, it's my regret. And I've learned from it. Um, I still use music, but it's a lot more quiet and it's, I'm definitely not the type of, you know, disco music that some of my other videos have in them. So, uh, yeah, look definitely audio. Um, definitely whether that, you know, we're talking about animation or video,
Speaker 0 00:21:29 So no deep house techno like videos.
Speaker 1 00:21:33 I think they leave that they pass away fresh metal, fresh
Speaker 0 00:21:38 Metal,
Speaker 1 00:21:42 Jimi Hendrix, chewing. Um, but yeah, so fabulous here,
Speaker 0 00:21:47 Chris, um, for, for the youth or people that are thinking of starting YouTube and, um, and basically thinking about sort of getting onto YouTube, do you think it's worth it, do you think, um, is there something that, you know, you would maybe start another channel about? Would you, what do you think, when do you think starting a YouTube channel these days with so many YouTubers out there with so much information already out there, do you think it's still worth it?
Speaker 3 00:22:18 Oh, look, I absolutely, absolutely. It's never too late. And, um, you know, YouTube, YouTube is the, the, the, um, the second biggest search engine after, after Google, um, it's owned by Google. Um, no Google is not going anywhere and YouTube is not going anywhere either. So look, uh, I think this is probably the best time to, to, uh, just start YouTube. Okay. You know, YouTube provides, uh, creators with many amazing tools these days. So a lot of training, um, that, you know, people years ago did not have access to. So absolutely. Uh, there is room for everyone and, and the, the, the more, the better, yeah. It's
Speaker 0 00:23:03 Just not going to stop anytime soon. I,
Speaker 3 00:23:05 I don't think so. And, Hmm.
Speaker 1 00:23:08 Um, sorry. I was just going to say, I just hope that the people who take that advice when they come along and actually produce a video or a channel on YouTube that actually have some content of the value, there is so many content channels out there, which are just,
Speaker 0 00:23:21 Yeah, very true. Yeah. And that was my next question, I guess, you know what I mean? I mean, if you do start a YouTube channel, what do you think you should do it about and why would you do it? Like, I'm just thinking, you know, will you just start off a channel to purely make money and hoping to bank money? Or do you think, you know, just start it off just for fun or just, you know, add value obviously, somehow, what do you,
Speaker 3 00:23:42 Yeah, look, I mean, yeah, look, I think you have to be able to do one of two things to their, uh, entertain or educate in my opinion. Um, in fact, if you can do both, that's a that's even better. Um, so yeah, ultimately, you know, you, like you said, you need to provide value to, um, to the viewer for, for that time. And, um, my advice would be to find something that, um, uh, you know, a topic that I call evergreen. So, uh, he, something that you will talk about that will be relevant today. Um, and, um, you know, five to 10 years from now, because yeah, I'm a, I'm a believer that YouTube will be around for a long time.
Speaker 0 00:24:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I, um, I, when I started my YouTube channel, I kind of wanted to create, um, value to people because my channel is obviously Melbourne images, you know what I mean? So I wanted to make people add value to people too, when they come to Melbourne or, and, you know, Melburnians themselves, you know, like I'm sure a lot of people have been living in Melbourne for most of the lives and they haven't seen the web bridge or they haven't seen, you know, um, just different locations in Melbourne. You know what I mean? Like H M V S Subarus, for instance, in BlackRock, it, I mean, that's a such an amazing location. And, um, and I think, you know, my understanding is to like, just to correct, just to have some fun with it, just to create a bit of value and then, Hey, if you make money out of it, shit, that's pretty good.
Speaker 0 00:25:19 You know what I mean? I might cut that out, but, you know, um, but eh, yeah, we'll try not to swear on this chat on the, on this channel, but, um, you know, look, you know, I think, yeah, creating value is the main thing though, isn't it? I mean, you know, you can't just create a YouTube channel by anything and everything. And a lot of people like the, you know, Peter McKinnon's and the various , whoever else, um, they, they make money literally logging almost like that's, that's my understanding. Anyway, just let's just talk about their lives. They talk about the families. And the only thing is I found that, you know, you, your ex your life has gotta be pretty exciting for people to see what you know, to come across it, get other people excited about your life, which, you know, like your channel, obviously doesn't have you your face on it. You doesn't actually have your voice, you have it using a voiceover artists to create all this stuff. So, um, is it one day you're going to be on the channel that you think,
Speaker 3 00:26:19 Oh, look, I'd like to, uh, I'd like to do I'm I'm, you know, I'm passionate about videography, so I wouldn't mind, you know, getting the dust off of my camera and then putting it to some good use.
Speaker 0 00:26:32 Chris, what kind are they use, Chris, Chris?
Speaker 3 00:26:39 Yeah. I mean, I mean the sunny universe, uh, as well. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:26:46 Sorry. Continue on. I had to put that in.
Speaker 3 00:26:49 Yeah. So look, that's the plan one day, you know, uh, it, it will happen, uh, actually once we can get out of, uh, uh, you know, uh, houses, um, and, um, yeah, uh,
Speaker 1 00:27:03 Good. I haven't been with advice for you, Chris. And what I found is is, is the, um, the, the, the key to success when it comes to, you know, being on YouTube and being the main speaker and having your face on there, just to have lots of tats, long hair and heaps of rings on your hands, lots of rings. You've got to look like, you know, and that will make, bring you a success. Cause you know, every single person who's successful has that combination tats rings and
Speaker 0 00:27:27 Doubt. You got to stand out about the rest of your like multiple head
Speaker 1 00:27:32 Yeah. To stand out where more rings than everyone else. Um, you know,
Speaker 3 00:27:36 I don't, I dunno what my viewership would think about that aviation is, is extremely conservative. Um, yeah. I don't know how seriously they would take me if I, uh, if I P it looking like that on, on my channel, but look, I think,
Speaker 0 00:27:49 Yeah, go on. Sorry, go on. Uh, look,
Speaker 3 00:27:52 I think ultimately, uh, you know, you need to be passionate. What, what you, um, creating, uh, about, you know, it has to be something that gives you, uh, some, some joy or some personal fulfillment, because it's not easy, you know, succeeding in YouTube is extremely hard. So it's a process that you need to enjoy. So whether it's blogging or, you know, covering, uh, advanced aerodynamics or, or talking about, you know, how to peel a potato or something, you know, um, it has to be something that you are extremely passionate about that that's, I'm a strong believer of that.
Speaker 1 00:28:30 Okay. So does that mean that your next project will be assay club?
Speaker 3 00:28:35 Sorry.
Speaker 1 00:28:35 I assay club like remote control cars.
Speaker 3 00:28:41 I see. Oh, look maybe, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 0 00:28:46 I'm trying to get him into draining and stuff, but he doesn't want to have a Bauer of it.
Speaker 1 00:28:51 I have a drone, it spends most of its time either in pieces or stuck in trees. So, um, that's, it's safer for me to have an RC car. So that's what I've discovered. I've left my drone, even my son has stopped using his drone. Uh, I will just move straight to RC cars. It's safer, not for just us, but also for the general community around us. Hey,
Speaker 0 00:29:11 Hey, Chris, um, when you started your YouTube channel, how long did it take you? How many months? Days? I don't know. How many, how long did it take you to actually start seeing, you know, subscriber rate going up and any, any kind of income from it? Basically
Speaker 3 00:29:28 Look, uh, it took a while, so I set up the channel, as I said, seven years ago. Um, I got a bit of interest initially and, and then I lost interest in it, unfortunately. So I probably reached about 3000 subscribers within maybe two years, maybe one year actually. And then it kind of stopped for a little while. Um, that was my fault. I, I stopped creating
Speaker 0 00:30:01 Videos. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:30:02 Yeah. And, you know, I wasn't monetizing that, that time. Um, I'm still, I'm monetizing my videos button on Vail very limited basis. So for example, I, um, I choose not to include those overlay, you know, those ads on the bottom of videos. Yeah. So, I mean, you have this option, uh, as a, as a creator to yeah. So I find them quite annoying and distracting and they wouldn't fit well with my, um, content. So, uh, I'm probably missing a bit of revenue for that, but, you know, I, I, I believe in providing, you know, better value for the, for the, for the viewer. So, um, I, uh, I chose not to monetize for quite some time. I think I had about four or 5,000, uh, subscribers before I did that. I believe currently you need 1000 subscribers and you need about four. Oh, you, in fact, you need 4,000 hours of, of, um, of view time before you can monetize,
Speaker 0 00:31:03 Um, videos.
Speaker 3 00:31:05 Uh, yes, that's right on your, on your entire channel. And then you need to apply for, you know, for the AdSense account. And then a lot of, lot of forms, a lot of paperwork, a lot of tax information that you need to provide now. And so did my head in when I had to do it, but it did it worked out. Um, so yeah, look, uh, my channel picked up a little bit more recently, probably last two years, uh, when I became a little bit more consistent with, uh, with producing and posting content and, um, yeah. And it's growing quite well now. So it's probably at its best peak.
Speaker 0 00:31:39 So as I create, I do think consistency is the key to Toby to be successful in YouTube.
Speaker 3 00:31:47 I think so, but in two ways, so consistency, uh, you have to be consistent with how, I guess frequently you post, uh, not, doesn't have to mean that the rule of thumb is you not post once a week at the same time, this is what most professional YouTube has seemed to be doing, but, um, uh, that doesn't have to be the case, but I also think you have to be consistent with your content. So, you know, all my content is, is about aviation it's for, for students, um, that, uh, learning how to fly airplanes, they come to me and, and I provide them with the information they need to know if, you know, if I started talking about, um, you know, men's colognes or something like that, um, on my channel, then, you know, that, that wouldn't work out too well for, for me. Um, yeah, so consistency is definitely the key. I'm sorry.
Speaker 0 00:32:40 I looked up, it looks like it looks like I stuffed up then because my channel started off as Melbourne images. Basically. Maybe you can educate me as well because obviously most of my videos that are time lapse of time-lapses and locations of Melbourne, and that's why I'm obviously Melbourne images, but then during lockdown, you know, you couldn't go anywhere. You couldn't do anything. So I started you doing, you know, drone videos basically. So, um, so it's probably not the best idea that I had, obviously since you're saying try to stick to one subject. Um, but, um, yeah, look, you know, it's, I don't know, maybe my, my channel is going to turn into our draining channel. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 00:33:22 You have to test the, you know, test different, different ideas as well, you know, from time to time. Um, just, just, you know, you just have to be aware that the almighty algorithm is watching. Uh, so yes, the preference is for consistency of content, you know, where's that,
Speaker 0 00:33:42 Since you mentioned algorithms, um, do you, can you give us more understanding on that, I guess, um, because algorithms on YouTube, they are, as far as I know, they're always changing and,
Speaker 3 00:33:54 Um, absolutely. What,
Speaker 0 00:33:56 What, what do you recommend or what do you know about their algorithms so far?
Speaker 3 00:34:01 Look, uh, I've done a lot of research into it and I still feel like, I don't know much. Um, like you said, it's a constantly changing, you know, area it's, uh, I think you could do a university degree in this field, you know, no problems. It's, it's huge, uh, for, uh, I'll give you an example. Um, for example, let's say Marty, if, if you, um, if you watched my channel and you, uh, gave me, uh, uh, like on, on every single video on my channel, you know, that would not be as beneficial to me if you viewed my videos, but on you liked maybe one of two. Okay. So more likes does not views
Speaker 0 00:34:48 Log years rather than actual likes.
Speaker 3 00:34:50 Yeah, look, same views, same views, but less likes,
Speaker 0 00:34:54 Oh,
Speaker 3 00:34:57 The algorithm prefers to see more intentional feedback from the viewer. So
Speaker 1 00:35:03 If you post too, as opposed to you paying 50 of your friends to go off and like everything that you produce, that, that happens as a market for it at the moment, there's a, you see people's advertising, um, you know, I'll pay you a hundred dollars if you give me 10,000 likes from your friends and stuff. So there is a, there is actually a monitorization in that area as well. And that's probably what the, the algorithms designed to knock out. So that, that doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 00:35:27 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, it's, it's smart. It's definitely smart. A lot of, uh, psychology, uh, goes into it. Um, you know, I mean, YouTube had 15 years of development, you know, uh, to, to, to make it perfect then. And it's still, like, you might've said it, it's still constantly changing and evolving, but, um, I guess if you, if you like my video one video, that means you really, really like it, you know, you really like it. And, and that's, that's, that's a bonus, uh, as opposed to just being habitual, just like, like, like, so that, that's, that's another thing. Uh, I'll give you one tip though. I'll give you one tip that I've learned recently though, you about the algorithms. E if, if you, uh, if you want to, uh, receive HIEs recommendations for your content from YouTube, stay away from any controversial topics. So, you know, the moment you start talking about, you know, flat earth or things like that, then, then, you know, you're pretty much gone. So that would be something I would, I would remember to, uh, to avoid doing
Speaker 0 00:36:37 Interesting. So if you mentioned something like that on your channel, you're saying something controversial with, with COVID. I dunno, whatever. I was like, all these people are protesting and whatever else. Um, it's obviously not a, not a good idea to be able to, because that will be picked up by the algorithm itself. So the algorithm looks at the way you, I guess, the talking and, and your visuals as well. I dunno. How does that work? I'm guessing the algorithm looks at both.
Speaker 3 00:37:04 Absolutely. Absolutely. Every word you say on YouTube is, is, uh, you know, uh, is translated into text. So, um, yeah, the system definitely picks up what, what you, what you were saying and, um, yeah. So, uh, any content wearing
Speaker 0 00:37:23 No swearing?
Speaker 3 00:37:24 No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't advise to my swearing. Definitely not.
Speaker 0 00:37:29 We never sweat on this show when I die. I don't know about Evan day. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 00:37:35 I think I've just worn twice in my life. Um, no quick question. Um, it's it picks up on audio, um, you know, things and, and decodes them and basically says, you know, this person, not that, what about images in the video itself? Like, say, for example, I'm talking and I'm talking about photography or whatever, and there's a SWAT sticker in the background, um, you know, or something along those lines, which is offensive or it's, you know, culturally inappropriate. Do visuals also get picked up or is it just the audio?
Speaker 3 00:38:01 Yeah, I don't believe visuals get picked up, uh,
Speaker 1 00:38:06 Unless someone complains obviously,
Speaker 3 00:38:07 But yeah, don't quote me on that, but yes, they're exactly right. Like you said, you know, that the feedback that you get from your viewers, uh, gets picked up and, um, and that will reflect, uh, on, on you. So, uh, yeah, this is what YouTube relies on is, is the feedback, which is, which is another, another kind of, um, uh, yeah. Metric. It looks,
Speaker 0 00:38:31 Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say it's, it's a very, um, I guess confusing and, um, ever-changing as well. So, um, so obviously the sort of the, to beat the algorithm as such your recommendation will be stick to one thing, avoid controversial topics. Yeah. And true, and to be true to what you believe in as a, as a creator, as a, to educate people, to create entertain. Um, and that is three or four things obviously will skyrocket you to the top. Like, you know, like,
Speaker 3 00:39:06 Well, we can't guarantee that muddy, but look, that sounds like a pretty good formula. I believe, uh, you know, provide value, educate, you know, be, be aware that, you know, this is people's time that we're talking about, um, you want to, yes, you definitely want to make it worth their while. And, um, I believe education is probably the key, I mean, entertainment, you know, that, that can go either way. Um, mm, yeah, look, uh, but enjoy it, you know, enjoy it. And that will come through to the view as, you know, if you enjoy that lens, you're at no matter what you do. Uh, and, and ideally, if you can, you know, pick content that that's, you know, that's gonna stick around for a while. If you do reviews of the latest golf pro today, you know, it's not going to be relevant five to 10 years from now. So think about that, those kind of topics as well. Hmm.
Speaker 1 00:40:03 All right. Now I have a question for you, which basically covers a whole bunch of the topics that we've spoken about for the last 10 minutes. I have a YouTube channel, uh, which I produced about 10 to 15 years ago. It's still up there. Um, there's about 50 videos on there. Um, probably about 500 subscribers. I've never really pushed for subscribers, but it just happened. Um, and It is considering I've never done anything with it. Well,
Speaker 3 00:40:31 Well, think about it this way. Um, I saw a stat recently, sorry to cut you off, but I'm only somewhere between 0.1 and 0.5 of a percent of all channels where we'll reach 1000 subscribers. So you're halfway there and that's pretty good.
Speaker 1 00:40:48 So considering I have an advertiser, that's a miracle. Um, so there you go, Maddie. I'm fantastic. So, uh, so I created this channel. The videos are up there. There's lots of interesting con uh, con uh, content is, uh, music that is video. It was before its time when it was produced. It was all about the world of off-road racing. Um, and a lot of people don't realize this about me. I, I actually used to run, uh, a business or a business, more of a community project called team Madrona, which had been around for about 15 years. And it was all about off-road racing around Australia. Uh, we produced videos, we sold them worldwide and, you know, these were all the previews and all the content. And, you know, like if there was an accident would film the accident and people about to watch it. Now I've never any of that. I've never bothered to do anything other than poster for people's enjoyment. Um, and you know, and it's been sitting there. I haven't touched it in over 10 years. In fact, I just looked it up now. Um, and there's thousands of views. Uh, I think last it was, it was, uh, 15, 15 years old anyway. Um, so if I wanted to monetize that, is there a way of monetizing the content that I've already produced and it's sitting there, or is this you can't go backwards and monetize something?
Speaker 3 00:42:00 Oh, yes. Uh, you can't go backwards. Uh, and you would need another 500 subscribers. So it sounds, it sounds that you would probably have the view time. Uh, so that's a 4,000, uh, um, hours in 12 months. Um, sounds like you probably would be there, but yeah, you would need, um, you would need a little bit more, uh, subscribers, uh, to, you know, to do that. Um, but yeah, look, uh, with monetization, it's, it's probably worth noting that, you know, just from YouTube, the, the ads that run, um, eh, you know, before and in the middle of your videos, you're probably not going to make too much, um, too much money out of it on that level. Uh, uh, I'll give you an example here, so that'd be good. Yeah, look, uh, so for me, let's say a typical video, uh, takes me somewhere between maybe five hours to 2 35 hours to, to, to produce.
Speaker 3 00:43:14 Uh, so once that's on YouTube and it's been on YouTube for, for quite some time, let's say maybe six to 12 months, you know, that video will earn me maybe 80 cents per week. Okay. So if you think about it, it's a little depressing. Yeah. So it is a bit actually, if you think about it, you spent, uh, that's, uh, you know, even five hours, uh, on, on a video, you're proud of it and all you get out of it. And so this is probably the average for a channel, my size. This is what you would expect to get, but look, I, I'm not motivated by, by the, um, by this monetization, but I see it as an investment actually. Um, so if you look at this figure, you know, 80 cents per week, um, you know, assuming that this particular video doesn't doesn't grow, um, you know, that still works out to be about, uh, $40 per year, which is not much, but, you know, if, if, um, if you have a hundred videos on your channel and they average, you know, that 80 cents per week, that's, um, that's $4,000, you know, per, per year.
Speaker 3 00:44:35 So, you know, 10 years, um, you know, that's pretty good money. That's $40,000. Now, imagine if you had a thousand videos on your channel and that's right, it's passive income. You know, I say, if you sleep, when you stay by shit site, you know, that the income is generated. So I see it as an investment in that sense. And, and like you said, I haven't, you know, you've got a lot of videos there, so maybe I'll, you would need to do is just, um, you know, put a bit of work into, to get into those subscribers up and, um, yeah. And then monetize and, and just see what happens.
Speaker 1 00:45:12 All right. So, so thank you for that. Now, another thing that I want to ask about making money off videos, uh, product placement in your videos, uh, which is completely different to, um, money from Google, but product placement is something that I want to speak about now. I just want to take this moment a timely reminder to all the people that I'm enjoying, this cold frosty glass of gold, pour triple IPA, that extra hoppy taste. I can taste it now. So, um, is it possible to be able to monetize having product content in your videos and basically selling things to people by having a can of Coke or, you know, uh, the gold Paul, which by the way, doesn't exist, I just made that up. Um, but that's actually not a bad name for a product, a gold pour IPA, triple idea. Um, the, you know, having a product sitting in front of you or you're like, you know, telling everyone, oh, you know, I'm a great pilot. I love drinking this stuff refreshes me. Woo. Yeah. You know, um, is there a chance to actually to do something like that? I mean, your credibility might go down the drain, but all the young kids will be like, oh shit. Yeah, I got, I just wore shit.
Speaker 1 00:46:14 I could have drink gold pour IPA. Um, is there, is there an opportunity to do that?
Speaker 3 00:46:20 Uh, look, I'm sure it's been done. Uh, you know, so like sponsorships, you mean product pretty much close. Yeah. I haven't explored that. I mean, my, my content is mainly animation would be a little bit difficult to, uh, to fit in, uh, you know, a soft drink or
Speaker 1 00:46:40 Yeah. The aerodynamics aerodynamics of the wind going over the can, you know,
Speaker 3 00:46:45 But, um, but look, uh, certainly, I mean, uh, that would be probably the, uh, the better way turn money out of YouTube. I, I would assume then, then, um, then, you know,
Speaker 0 00:46:59 Yeah. So in this case, potentially you would get the company on board and then they will basically give you X amount of dollars for creating and saying, this episode is sponsored by blah, blah, blah. Joe's.
Speaker 1 00:47:12 You know what I mean? Why haven't we done that
Speaker 0 00:47:15 Money? Because, because no one wants to see your ugly face on the, on YouTube, man.
Speaker 1 00:47:20 I can still talk about beautiful products. Like, you know, this Glen 20 toilet brush. Well, one of my,
Speaker 0 00:47:28 One of my favorite YouTubers, which is a period lingering, um, and he, he's only been really around for literally about three or four years, I think. And he's,
Speaker 1 00:47:39 Um, he's just put so much time and effort in. Have you heard a pillow lingering P uh, Chris? I haven't snow. No, Evan definitely. Hasn't heard of, I was actually going to say, it sounds like the, um, the YouTube across with the father of the Russian fodder off loft Lundgren or whatever, is that near
Speaker 0 00:47:57 Well, well, kind of, yeah. Um, but look, you know, he, he actually is, is a videographer like us. Um, and, um, we both basically I create videos and that's what he started off with. He started creating videos and he started doing I different things. And then he started creating YouTube channel, you know, about talking about different items and whatever else. And, um, he's obviously got to the point where, you know, people just enjoyed him and he started doing everything in Swedish. And then as soon as he changed to English language, he's viewer ratings just flew up and basically just skyrocketed. So, um, but saying that though he creates three, four videos a week, you know what I mean? And, um, and that's huge, you know what I mean, income, YouTube income for him is a proper day job. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yep.
Speaker 0 00:48:53 Well, for myself, I, um, I do it for fun of it. I do it for about drawings for fun of it. I talk about, you know, Melbourne locations for the fun of it. And, um, you know, I think some people treat it more serious than others in a way as well. And, um, I guess job is a job to me the way, uh, the reason why I do videography part-time because it was a full-time thing. You know, I'll probably turn around to myself and hate it because if I spend, you know, 60, 70 hours a week doing all of this stuff, everyone's got a green looking face on himself by, but look, I'll probably hate it. That's what I'm trying to say. You know what I mean? And I, I love doing this stuff and I love creating podcasts and I love creating, you know, videos and, you know, photography and whatever else, if I've got a full-time job at it. Oh, bloody, you know? Yeah. I don't know, man. I just, I think I just hate it. You know what I mean? It's funny why you laughing at me?
Speaker 1 00:49:51 Uh, it, it, it, uh, if you take it on as a full-time job, it actually changes your lifestyle and those around you start changing the way they speak to you. And start today. I was driving in the car and my son who my son is seven years old. He turns around to me and says, dad, can we create another video? Because I've let my son develop a few videos, which actually I've got to say some of the videos you produce almost as good as mine, if not better. And it's kind of depressing actually seven year old producing the videos. But, um, and I said, yeah, sure, son, what do you want to do? What's your next video? What do you want to do about, you know, like, uh, and he's like, uh, all dad, I was thinking maybe we can do a video, sorry. Pardon me?
Speaker 1 00:50:26 Let's just pump my microphone. Sorry, dad. Sorry. Um, yeah, that I, I was thinking maybe we could do a video about RC cars and I'm like, okay, this, this is going to be interesting. I said, okay, so what exactly do you want to do for this video? And he goes, well, then I want to get the black magic. And I went to the, what he actually said, black magic, which is my camera. So he knows it by name. I was just taking it back. I was like, I almost drove off the road when this happened. And I looked at him and I'm like, yeah. And he goes, and I want to put it on the shock slaughter. And I'm like the one, like he knows the names of all the products that I've got. And I'm like, how the hell does he pick this up?
Speaker 1 00:51:01 You know? And they say, you know, and then we can slide it past the car and get like that moving motion of the blurred background. And I'm like, thinking this is a seven year old, I'm thinking, um, am I sending him down the wrong road? And then he started talking about action cams and, you know, we can get uncle Madu if he's drones flying over the top and we can have a camera on the, on the car filming upwards so we can get the car and the drone. And I'm sitting there thinking, yeah, I think I've been in this industry for too long and bet better
Speaker 0 00:51:28 Than early may early.
Speaker 1 00:51:30 But you know, when you do a full time, everything around you starts changing, um, you know, so seven year old, you know, wanting to produce, you know, movies is kind of scary. Mm.
Speaker 0 00:51:39 Yeah. Now it's, how do you find the Christy? Do you spend a lot of time on this sort of stuff? Or do you like, do you find that it's becoming a full-time job for you?
Speaker 3 00:51:47 Ah, look not at the moment. It's probably heading in that direction. Um, I, I, I do, uh, I, I look forward to making this, uh, maybe not a full-time job, but being on maybe a half time job, if you like. So, uh, yeah. You know, I I'd like to be this, you know, go to channel four for what I do, you know, if ideation theory one day, uh that's that's my dream. So it, look, it does consume a lot of my time. I think about it all the time. You know, when I'm writing a script, you know, it's, it's constantly in my head. It's, uh, yeah,
Speaker 0 00:52:29 You obviously enjoy it though. So that's why you do it and obviously enjoyed the aviation component. And, you know, I know you love flying planes as well, so, you know,
Speaker 3 00:52:39 And you know, it is rewarding. I mean, the financially not. So it, it probably costs me more to, to run a channel now than, than actually make of it. But, uh, uh, you know, when, when you get positive feedback, uh, you know, someone writes you a, uh, a message saying that you've helped them with with some bit of theory and, you know, it's, it feels good. It, it, it makes it all worthwhile and, you know, it's there for, for a while, you know, we'll, it'll be on YouTube for a long time. So, you know, hopefully, hopefully a very long time and yeah, you know, you can't really go wrong with that. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:53:13 That's brilliant. That's brilliant.
Speaker 3 00:53:15 And, you know, our kids will be watching, watching these things. Uh, I'm sure your Chimp will be around for a long time,
Speaker 0 00:53:22 A hundred percent. Well, all the kids, all my kids basically are into YouTube and, you know, all they do is just watch games. And, you know, I guess the, the brilliant thing of YouTube, it's got a genre for everything. You know what I mean? Do you want to fix a quarter panel? You know, Kyle, whatever else you can jump on and, you know, do four wheel builds. And, um, basically, you know, you can do RC cars and you know what I'm talking about, we've got to make this world that he's into a YouTubing and his, I don't know how bad, you know, but he's overseas in Poland and he's creating YouTube videos about creating cars and fixing cars and whatever. I'll say, look, there is a topic for everyone and like myself, you know, you know, like I love going out to different locations and, you know, filming and those locations and documenting my life when I go hiking or whatever else, you know?
Speaker 0 00:54:11 So to me, that's, that's, that's, you know, and, you know, for kids as well, you've got your kids' channels. And, you know, from literally, you know, two, three years old to, you know, 90 plus years old, you know what I mean? So you can find anything and everything on it, and that's the whole beauty of YouTube. And that's why, you know, Hey, um, what's, what's the long-term goal for you and flight club. Uh, do you have your third of that? Oh, you just want to sort of creating, is it like an endless pit of creating videos or do you want to sort of just, you know, yeah. Like we said earlier on, I w you know, you might be on the show itself, like, you know, with a face and, you know, talk up to people that are on the aviation. Um, but what, what's the term thing for you?
Speaker 3 00:54:50 So I have some ideas to, uh, to, uh, as I said before, you know, use, use my camera a little bit more and, um, look, it's, it's always going to be educational. I will always be, uh, providing that, uh, to my view is I'm going to remain consistent with it. But instead of animation, I might actually use the camera a bit more. Uh, so yeah, that's probably a negative
Speaker 0 00:55:17 Pots, or like, were you planning to sort of look inside an engine or something like that? Or are you planning to look in a cockpit or something like that, or,
Speaker 3 00:55:26 Ah, yeah, look, um, so what I'm going to do next is what everyone else on YouTube seems to be doing at the moment. I will have videos that you know, about something like five best tips for training pilots or five top, um, uh, tools, you know, that, that you can take with you on board or, you know, things like that. Uh,
Speaker 0 00:55:51 So aviation aviation is obviously a, there's a lot to cover in that topic. Do you find it's almost like an endless pit? It is, man.
Speaker 3 00:56:00 It is. Um, I, I feel very fortunate in that sense that, you know, I have infinite number of topics I, I can cover. So, and you know, there's not much out there at the moment, so I'm extra, extra lucky in that sense. Uh, you know, I, yeah, so
Speaker 0 00:56:18 That's good. That's brilliant.
Speaker 3 00:56:19 Yeah. So that's, that's probably next, the next for flight club and you know, maybe one day I'll, I've got a website, so maybe I'll do a bit of work on that. Maybe write some courses.
Speaker 0 00:56:31 Yeah. I must say, um, the flight club is a brilliant name. How did you come up with that?
Speaker 3 00:56:37 Oh, good question. So, you know, um, it's a flight, I guess, you know, you know, it's related to, to, to flight training and, and club. I wanted it to be a sort of a community. So flight club, uh, was what I came up with and there was this famous movie, also fight club, um, that I'm sure we've all seen some good videography in the fight club.
Speaker 0 00:57:05 That's not talk about fight club.
Speaker 1 00:57:08 It's actually going to start the show off with that.
Speaker 0 00:57:10 Hey, we might, we might, there you go. What's the rule. What's the rule number 1 0 5 club. You do not talk about fight club. What's the number two. You do not talk anyway.
Speaker 1 00:57:20 So as we're talking about, you know, the future and what it holds, I mean, a lot of your stuff, Chris is prerecorded, obviously because it's animation. It's not something that just doesn't live. I mean, it'll be interesting to see if he could do it live. Um, but have you ever considered, possibly taking on live streaming at all as one of your products?
Speaker 3 00:57:36 Yes. I have a that's something that I will probably do in the future, not anytime soon. Uh, once I moved to, you know, videography a little bit more than animation, uh, I may, I think ideally, uh, probably some form of Q and a would work well with, um, with my content. So I would look at doing that. Um, yeah, I'm a little bit intimidated by it. I, I think it's not an easy, easy thing to pull off quite well. So yeah,
Speaker 0 00:58:14 Definitely. Camera's pretty hard. You're talking to the camera is definitely hard because I do it on my YouTube channel and it's, um, I know, do you know, four or five different takes? You know what I mean? And it's, and people don't realize how hard it is, but it's a pain, you know, it's like, you don't know where to look sometimes and you kind of, yeah, you start slurring words and you start forgetting you whatever you're talking about. So, but yeah, I don't know much about the live streaming Evan do. What are you, what are you thinking about?
Speaker 1 00:58:42 Yeah, look, I, I actually dabbled into it for a little bit. I've got a whole live streaming set up so I can actually run up to four different cameras at once. Um, and through a mixer, a video mixer and so on, and I've actually done a couple of live streams. It's not my forte, uh, but I have done it, uh, you know, during COVID and stuff. There was a lot of different people, you know, uh, corporations, uh, private sector needing, uh, live streams. Uh, one of the ones that I actually did a while ago, I think it was during the second lockdown, uh, as it's just a courtesy to one of the local schools, was the graduation ceremonies for young kids. Um, they wanted to proceed with the, with the, um, with their life. Like they wanted to do the ceremonies. They couldn't have the parents there. So I said to him, well, look, you I'm happy to live, stream it. The parents can sit outside and they can watch the kids inside so we can continue on with it. And we did a live stream like that. And there's a lot of people who was
Speaker 0 00:59:32 All hosted on YouTube, obviously as well.
Speaker 1 00:59:34 This is live stream. Yeah. So there's, there's live streaming through YouTube. It's one of those functions that YouTube does offer as well. Um, and you know, you can run multiple cameras, you can do, you know, parts of that can be pre recorded and you can have inter interaction with people as well at the same time. So, you know, you can have live feeds of people talking. Uh, you also need to monitor that because there's a couple of blockades out there who obviously make inappropriate comments, but, um, but a lot of people are jumping on that and they're making money and it's actually becoming easier and easier. Like for example, you can plug in, uh, HTMI, um, transmitter onto your camera, uh, which basically can transmit to others monitors around the room. Um, but there's different ones around like the students in the eye to pro, which will also transmit, uh, to an iPad, uh, which can then live stream the whole event straight from your camera, uh, directly onto YouTube. So, uh, you can also basically do that type of thing. And a lot of them are actually monetizing that as well. Um, so they're charging for the service to, to do it live. Plus they're also then having people coming back to watch it again, which is basically bringing more incoming for them. Um, so yeah, there's, there's endless possibilities, I guess. Uh, we've we've social media and the way things are moving there, those
Speaker 0 01:00:49 Well, um, and social media, uh, pretty much is becoming, you know, like Chris said is the second biggest search engine enemy. And so if you want to change a battery in your remote control, you can just type in, you know, change battery in, you know, whatever I'm going to control and something will come up. And visually, like Chris was saying at the beginning, uh, visually is obviously a lot more people take it onboard lot quicker, you know, the 60, 70%. And I obviously increased rights, um, in understanding and learning what, what we're talking about. So, yeah. Hey, I'm Chris with, um, with YouTube, obviously having so many views and obviously, you know, over 30,000 subscribers and whatever else. And, um, have you actually been contacted by anyone to say, Hey, can you put that into, you know, we pay your money for it and then, you know, ha ha have you had anything like that?
Speaker 3 01:01:42 Ah, yes. Yes. So quite, quite often I receive emails from flight training organizations or students with, you know, asking to use my content in a, in that, in that training materials. So, uh, pro probably once a week at the moment I get something, um, it is, it is so, uh, you know, I always do a bit of stalking and see who I'm actually communicating with. Um, you know, yeah, yeah. You have to, you have to, you know, check, check who, because I also get a lot of, uh, you know, a lot of scammers contacting me as well. Yeah. Um, so, um, look, uh, I don't actually ask for money, uh, from those, uh, sources. I, uh, I, I just explained to them this is in public domain so they can help themselves to it and use it. Uh, however they're like, yeah, look, I mean, I, I don't put any restrictions on downloads.
Speaker 3 01:02:43 I think ultimately, you know, it helps me anyway. So, um, yeah, I have no problems with that, but, but yeah, I have actually been contacted by, by companies that wanted me to, uh, to create, uh, uh, animations for them and, and that worked out quite well for me. So, uh, thanks to YouTube that that's how they found me. And, uh, I had a pretty good, uh, contract going for, for quite some time. And, um, yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, the YouTube is good for that, you know, it's, you can showcase your, your work, uh, on, on YouTube and a lot of, you know, creativity.
Speaker 0 01:03:22 Yeah, no, definitely. And I think with, even with myself, um, you know, having only 300 subscribers on my channel, um, I have actually been contacted by numerous number of companies saying, Hey, can we purchase this time-lapse from you? Or can we use this photography piece for our, you know, a website or whatever else? So, um, you know, even companies like bindings, you know, have contacted me and they say, can you do you know, um, YouTube, sorry, can you create a time-lapse for us? You know, mean of this and this. And we were, they want to purchase a, um, acknowledgement for the country, for instance, because our travel a lot, I love outdoors and I've created, you know, um, videos, timeless videos, and they wanted to use them. So, you know, so there's, you know, a couple of hundred bucks a year country, a couple of hundred bucks there.
Speaker 0 01:04:08 And, you know, I've even scored a couple of good clients out of YouTube as well because they creating the saying my videos and, you know, obviously YouTube makes it possible. And that's what the whole thing is about. You know what I mean, trying to get yourself out there, if you're a creator, if you, um, you know, do anything with creation, then YouTube will probably be the place to be. Um, like I'm on Vimeo for instance as well. And I mean, guessing Vimeo's almost like a competitor to YouTube, um, which, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but you know, it's more for, um, creatives as in like filmmakers and whatever else, I dunno, but
Speaker 0 01:04:48 Yeah, but the email doesn't actually Curry give you any benefit to be, I mean, I pay for my Vimeo account, for instance, I think it's like 80 or a hundred dollars a year, whatever it is. And I don't get anything out of it, you know, I mean, other than my clients looking at my work because I purchased space from them. So I should basically grab all of these videos and check them on YouTube. And then the same thing happens here. I mean, they still see it and it's probably bigger writing of views, you know, that our guests, so, um, but yeah, no, like you were saying, you know, you actually got some contracts out of it and then obviously I got some work out of it as well. So I think, um, you know, a lot of people, you look at YouTube and, and they obviously appreciate the work and, and it's great, you know, it obviously works out for everyone because you're much easier to find and, you know, whatever else. So, yeah. But, um, yeah, look, I'm almost talked out. We have been going for a little bit over an hour now, but, um, my last question, um, who's your favorite YouTube, but other than Melbourne images,
Speaker 3 01:05:50 I was going to say that actually I had to photography, but lay out. Absolutely. Look, it really depends. I, I, I have so many interests and, um, hobbies. Uh, I don't have a single, single, uh, favorite, but look for, for your listeners, uh, for those interested in YouTube, I recently found that a good channel, a good reference, a lot of good information there. Uh, it's called, uh, vid IQ. That's a V I N D I Q a. So if you are thinking about, you know, starting a YouTube channel or you have one and you need a bit of help, this is a good resource to, to look up, uh, aviation, anyone interested in aviation, there's a, a channel called mentor pilot. And, um, he does a lot of really good videos on, you know, like air crash investigations and how things work and this and that.
Speaker 3 01:06:56 Fantastic. I've actually done a little bit of collaborating with him. Uh he's he's your stomach, my content in his video, which I'm very, um, happy about. Um, yeah. Look at an animation animation. If you do want to dive into the, uh, the, uh, after effects, uh, world, uh, there is a channel called Jake in motion. Uh, he's very good. He's also got a Skillshare course, which, which I've, um, you know, done probably maybe two or three times. Wow, fantastic. For after effects. So, you know, I'm into photography and all those other things and, uh, yeah, there's a lot of really good channels out there. I mean, YouTube is fantastic. You could really spend a long time just while it's quite addictive and, you know
Speaker 0 01:07:46 Yeah, totally agree. Well for myself. Um, I guess I'm just loading up my YouTube, uh, subscriber list and, um, for draining, I guess, if you want to get into joining NERC FPV, uh, as well is one of the American guys that flies amazingly. Um, but you know, some local guys for droning would be like a Jasmine FPV or an umbrella FPV, which some of my people that I look up at me on my channel, um, they've obviously seen and heard of. Um, but like, if you do want more information on, um, obviously YouTube itself, Peter lingering, uh, Swedish guy, um, he he's been fantastic as well for developing that sort of, he talks about YouTube a lot as well. Um, people be people like, you know, like, you know, , and I'm obviously what's his name, that guide that has all the tats and shoot stuff. Evan's favorite one, uh, um, you know, say, you know, I, what's his name again? Evans. I can't remember that. Uh it's um, oh my God. It's just, I lost his name. Um, I can't
Speaker 1 01:08:50 Remember.
Speaker 0 01:08:53 Um, well it's um, Peter. Oh my God. Peter, Peter, Peter. I can't remember. I didn't bring it up.
Speaker 1 01:09:01 No, I'm not gonna just bring up the surname. Yeah,
Speaker 0 01:09:04 Peter Meakin okay. oh man. You know,
Speaker 1 01:09:09 Well, I wasn't going to save it, man. I got actually knew the name, but I wasn't going to say, there you go.
Speaker 0 01:09:15 Um, but yeah, look, he's got 5.5 million subscribers as well yet. I mean, and look, he does create amazing stuff. I think recently, uh, as soon as he sort of clicked over that 5 million subscriber thing, mate, um, his videos became very cliche and, um, I don't know to me, I I've actually not subscribed to him anymore, but he does have created some amazing content is when the past as well. But
Speaker 1 01:09:38 His downfall was when he cut his hair. Cause that was one of the three things that you need for YouTube, long hair tats and lots of rings. And he got his hair.
Speaker 0 01:09:46 Who's your favorite? YouTube. I, Evan, come on, man. You might have someone other than Melvin images
Speaker 1 01:09:52 Class. I'm fine. Um, you know, uh, no, no, I, I actually, to be honest with you, I'm not a very big YouTube user. Believe it or not. I mean, occasionally I do jump on there to, um, to see how to, uh, change a panel on a car, Maddie. Um, but
Speaker 0 01:10:09 You are on YouTube though. So I am putting up your, um, you got 17
Speaker 1 01:10:15 Subscribers, 17 subscribers,
Speaker 0 01:10:18 17 subscribers, your pixel life.
Speaker 1 01:10:20 Oh, Hey. Cause I put stuff up there for clients more than anything else. I don't really, like I said, with the mud rhino, um, uh, channel, I never, I never really bothered to look at it. It's been 10 years and I haven't actually looked at it. That's how bad I am
Speaker 0 01:10:34 To that channel.
Speaker 1 01:10:35 Yeah. Don't worry. Not many people are so, um,
Speaker 0 01:10:39 Well that's what Chris says. Remember he, you need to subscribe and you need to build a piece of scrubber, right? So you can stop
Speaker 1 01:10:45 You subscribe so I can make some cashier and then the, the, uh, golden, poor IPA. Um, but uh, you know, I actually don't really use YouTube very much other than to, uh, post, uh, client videos. Um, it's not my forte, so I don't really chase it up. I mean, there's heaps of benefits to it. I'm not really a social media guru. I produce the content for it. Um, but I don't, I'm not a marketing person. I don't chase it. And that's why I've never tried to monetize any of my videos. Um, but yeah, look, I mean, I understand that it's, it's popular and I do occasionally go to it. Like, like I said earlier, I do occasionally need to remember how to do something so quickly. Look it up on the web, uh, fixing up my kid's RC car every second day. I I'm on there.
Speaker 1 01:11:28 Yeah. Yeah. It's fantastic. And it's a great resource. It's just not one that I delve too much into. I don't have the time for it and it's not really my forte. Um, I've got channels. Yes. Uh, one of them, like I said, there's seven teams with Rob as well. I'm actually quite impressed. I'm 17. How did I even get that far? Um, but the other ones, like, you know, there's, there's a couple of, there's one, that's like 500 people who subscribed to it. And so I didn't even know that there was subscribers stored. So, um, yeah, not my thing.
Speaker 0 01:11:54 Yeah. We kind of getting a little bit over time, um, as we are normally do, getting carried away with chatting and, you know, obviously try to understand, um, what makes YouTube is ticking, whatever else, and you know, all this, you know, Sony, um, people stick together. That's fine. That's all good. Hey, um, but now the, on a serious note, um, thanks heaps for coming on the channel. Can you give us what, um, w how people can find you and, um, and yeah, give us a, so it's flight club. So just on YouTube.
Speaker 3 01:12:25 Yeah. On YouTube, it's, it's actually flight dash club, uh, and my website that is flight dash club, uh, dot com.edu. Uh, so, uh, yeah,
Speaker 0 01:12:40 But when you bring it up, they will see a nice circle with flight club in it, and a couple of lines on top as well. So that's
Speaker 3 01:12:48 It. Yeah. Yep.
Speaker 0 01:12:49 Yep. And do you have, um, other than in YouTube, do you have a Instagram or any other social media stuff?
Speaker 3 01:12:59 Look, I, I, I do. I, I have a Facebook page and I have an Instagram, uh, account. I don't actually use those much. I, I don't think that is probably the best idea for me. I, I should be utilizing those social media platforms a little bit more. Uh, I, I have a preference to let my channel grow, uh, growing all by itself. Um, what's the word I'm looking for organically. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, uh, I, I should be using those, but I Don, so I only have few images then that's about Aetna might pick it up on me.
Speaker 0 01:13:41 Yeah. And YouTube is obviously the main, main component that people can contact through you as well.
Speaker 3 01:13:45 Yeah. Yeah. That's right. My website, I've got a contact form that I, yeah, I'm trying to keep it simple. I think I would just stick to YouTube for now and see how things evolve in the future. Yeah.
Speaker 0 01:13:59 I definitely make it a good idea. And I'm in the main, the content that you're creating is phenomenal as well. I mean, um, I've known you for a while now as well, and, you know, I've saw your videos grow and, you know, and basically it just, just becoming lot more enjoyable to watch as well. So I think, you know, like with any, like any other, uh, content creator, whatever else you look at your old stuff and you kind of look at it, whoa, how crap was this? And then you look at the newer staff, it's just, yeah, you kind of, you know, you grow as a creator, you grow in your knowledge and, you know, the older we become the wiser we become as well. So unlike Evan obviously, but, um, you know, he's not, he's just sitting there like a little voice swinging on his chair. Come on, Evan.
Speaker 1 01:14:45 I'm sorry. I'm not part of the Sony clubs. So I'm just sitting here sucking in my phone,
Speaker 0 01:14:49 But like on a serious note that, thanks. Thanks for coming out, Chris really appreciate your time. And, um, and if anyone wants to contact you obviously flight club.com that I use it. That's correct. Yeah. Perfect. No worries. Evan, would you like to do anything changing? No, no, no.
Speaker 1 01:15:05 Oh, that was a, it was actually quite interesting to listen to Chris and, uh, you know, about his, uh, about his channel and, uh, from me personally, thank you very much, Chris, for joining us. Uh I've I've I sit there and listen more than I actually speak, which doesn't happen very often. Um, and at the same time I was looking for your channel at the same time, looking at some of the animations and stuff. Um, so, uh, thank you very much for joining us. Uh, it has been a complete pleasure.
Speaker 3 01:15:30 Thank you. Thank you for the opportunity. And, uh, yeah, I wish you all the best of luck with, uh, with your channels as well and, and everything else that you do. And, uh, this podcast, uh, as, as well.
Speaker 0 01:15:41 Ah, thanks mate. Yeah, we, we, we sort of got together on, um, you know, on the bike ride and we sort of created this podcast and we thought, you know, it's a good idea to sort of get people from like-minded people obviously, um, and, you know, just get them to listen to us and how we, you know, uh, we are, do a business potentially and obviously creating as well. So it's a lot of other ways, but yeah. Beautiful. All right. Thanks heaps guys. Uh, if you want more information, obviously flight club YouTube is the main, main, main component. Um, if you want to see any of my staff, um, it's Melbourne images and YouTube, Melbourne images.com that I use as well. Um, and Evan obviously is on YouTube as well with 17 subscribers. I've got to give him that, but, uh, it's a life, uh, is the man, uh, on, on YouTube there as well. So you can do some of Evan's work to
Speaker 1 01:16:29 Don't forget a team mud rhino from 15 years ago, which has almost five, 500 subscribers from doing,
Speaker 0 01:16:36 You got an extra one now, because I've just disrupted it to say,
Speaker 1 01:16:39 Yeah, I've been a subscriber to yours, to our channel as well, then in that case.
Speaker 0 01:16:44 Yeah, you bet. Anyway, look, thanks to everyone and, um, uh, have a lovely weekend. Hopefully you enjoy time off in a and out of lockdown in Melbourne. So, um, all the best guys and have a lovely night day ciao,
Speaker 3 01:16:59 Take care. Thank you.
